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== The Royal Commission evidence for 21/7/1881 ==
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 21/7/1881|day 38]])
[[../../people/peH_J/harePsup.html|'''Sup Francis A. Hare''']] '''further examined'''
<span id="rc13890">[[#rc13890|13890]]</span> ''By the Commission''— Did this man tell you that any of the party were over watching at the time?— Most decidedly he did.
<span id="rc13891">[[#rc13891|13891]]</span> And did you and them watching when you went there?— I did.
<span id="rc13892">[[#rc13892|13892]]</span> Did Alexander say anything to you about the matter?— [[Const Armstrong|Armstrong]] did; he told me. I said, “Why did you leave the two men behind?” he said, “Mr. Hare, they have misled you, or told an untruth. I was chopping wood when you were at the hut.” I said, “Do you mean to say that those fellows deliberately told me a lie?” And he said he was at the back of the house, and [[Ward|Ward]] sent him on as quickly as possible, and he was not going to tell a lie for anybody.
<span id="rc13893">[[#rc13893|13893]]</span> Did he say why he was sent so quickly?— No; he said Ward sent him on to meet me there.
<span id="rc13894">[[#rc13894|13894]]</span> Did you mention it when you came back to the hut?— Yes, to Ward. I said, “What in the name of goodness could induce those men to tell a lie to me?” “I don't know,” he said. “I found them, and sent them on to the place.”
<span id="rc13895">[[#rc13895|13895]]</span> Did you question the men afterwards?— No. When I got to the hut I heard Ward say “Where [[Police Agents|Tommy]]?” and I did not see him come forward. I then heard him say something to another man; and there was an answer—a whisper. I was standing in the road on my horse. I do not think he could have been up there thirty seconds, nor was he out of my sight. When I heard the whisper, I pushed my horse up as quickly as I could, and said, “What is all this whispering about?” And I called one of the men—[[Const R Alexander|Alexander]] or [[Const W Duross|Duross]]—and said, “Where is Tommy?” “He is away watching.” “What are you doing here by yourselves?” I said. He said, “Tommy said it was too light for us to go altogether, and told us to come on by-and-bye.” I said, “Can you take me to where they are watching?” One of them answered, “Yes”; and I said, “Then come along.” He said, “You will have to cross a very deep creek and we cannot go across the bridge to-night, it is too light.” And I said, “Never mind—go as you usually go, and I will follow”; and Alexander took the lead, and Duross followed behind.
<span id="rc13896">[[#rc13896|13896]]</span> Did you start to go by the bridge?— No; they suggested it was too light—the Chinamen would see us. I said, “Never mind the creek, or anything else; I will follow.”
<span id="rc13897">[[#rc13897|13897]]</span> How was it you got astray?— Going over that creek we got in among a lot of holes. He lost his way several times, all the time leading me to believe that Sherritt and the other men were there; and it was not till I got to the spot that I saw Armstrong. I went straight up to him, and I said, “What do you mean by leaving your men behind you, and coming here yourself?” And he answered, “Oh, I did not. I was chopping wood; and I am not going to tell a lie for anybody.”
<span id="rc13898">[[#rc13898|13898]]</span> Did he lead you to infer who that “anybody” was?— He led me to infer it was those two men. He did not lead me to infer it was Ward.
<span id="rc13899">[[#rc13899|13899]]</span> By what did he lead you to infer the two men?— Because it was the two men that told me this
<span id="rc13900">[[#rc13900|13900]]</span> Did you tell him the other men told you so?— Yes; and he must have heard it from Ward also. I never had the slightest suspicion that Ward had suggested it till I heard it in the evidence here, and then I thought, “Could Ward have concocted the thing so quickly?” because I was not the distance of this room away from him, and I do not think he was thirty seconds away.
<span id="rc13901">[[#rc13901|13901]]</span> Then your opinion is that those men did it?— I am giving facts; but I cannot say anything about that.
''The witness withdrew.'' ....
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== The Royal Commission evidence for 21/7/1881 ==
''''''
=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 21/7/1881|day 38]])
[[../../people/peH_J/harePsup.html|'''Sup Francis A. Hare''']] '''further examined'''
<span id="rc13890">[[#rc13890|13890]]</span> ''By the Commission''— Did this man tell you that any of the party were over watching at the time?— Most decidedly he did.
<span id="rc13891">[[#rc13891|13891]]</span> And did you and them watching when you went there?— I did.
<span id="rc13892">[[#rc13892|13892]]</span> Did Alexander say anything to you about the matter?— [[Const Armstrong|Armstrong]] did; he told me. I said, “Why did you leave the two men behind?” he said, “Mr. Hare, they have misled you, or told an untruth. I was chopping wood when you were at the hut.” I said, “Do you mean to say that those fellows deliberately told me a lie?” And he said he was at the back of the house, and [[Ward|Ward]] sent him on as quickly as possible, and he was not going to tell a lie for anybody.
<span id="rc13893">[[#rc13893|13893]]</span> Did he say why he was sent so quickly?— No; he said Ward sent him on to meet me there.
<span id="rc13894">[[#rc13894|13894]]</span> Did you mention it when you came back to the hut?— Yes, to Ward. I said, “What in the name of goodness could induce those men to tell a lie to me?” “I don't know,” he said. “I found them, and sent them on to the place.”
<span id="rc13895">[[#rc13895|13895]]</span> Did you question the men afterwards?— No. When I got to the hut I heard Ward say “Where [[Police Agents|Tommy]]?” and I did not see him come forward. I then heard him say something to another man; and there was an answer—a whisper. I was standing in the road on my horse. I do not think he could have been up there thirty seconds, nor was he out of my sight. When I heard the whisper, I pushed my horse up as quickly as I could, and said, “What is all this whispering about?” And I called one of the men—[[Const R Alexander|Alexander]] or [[Const W Duross|Duross]]—and said, “Where is Tommy?” “He is away watching.” “What are you doing here by yourselves?” I said. He said, “Tommy said it was too light for us to go altogether, and told us to come on by-and-bye.” I said, “Can you take me to where they are watching?” One of them answered, “Yes”; and I said, “Then come along.” He said, “You will have to cross a very deep creek and we cannot go across the bridge to-night, it is too light.” And I said, “Never mind—go as you usually go, and I will follow”; and Alexander took the lead, and Duross followed behind.
<span id="rc13896">[[#rc13896|13896]]</span> Did you start to go by the bridge?— No; they suggested it was too light—the Chinamen would see us. I said, “Never mind the creek, or anything else; I will follow.”
<span id="rc13897">[[#rc13897|13897]]</span> How was it you got astray?— Going over that creek we got in among a lot of holes. He lost his way several times, all the time leading me to believe that Sherritt and the other men were there; and it was not till I got to the spot that I saw Armstrong. I went straight up to him, and I said, “What do you mean by leaving your men behind you, and coming here yourself?” And he answered, “Oh, I did not. I was chopping wood; and I am not going to tell a lie for anybody.”
<span id="rc13898">[[#rc13898|13898]]</span> Did he lead you to infer who that “anybody” was?— He led me to infer it was those two men. He did not lead me to infer it was Ward.
<span id="rc13899">[[#rc13899|13899]]</span> By what did he lead you to infer the two men?— Because it was the two men that told me this
<span id="rc13900">[[#rc13900|13900]]</span> Did you tell him the other men told you so?— Yes; and he must have heard it from Ward also. I never had the slightest suspicion that Ward had suggested it till I heard it in the evidence here, and then I thought, “Could Ward have concocted the thing so quickly?” because I was not the distance of this room away from him, and I do not think he was thirty seconds away.
<span id="rc13901">[[#rc13901|13901]]</span> Then your opinion is that those men did it?— I am giving facts; but I cannot say anything about that.
''The witness withdrew.'' ....
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