Royal Commission report day 12 page 16

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The Royal Commission evidence for 13/4/1881

(full text transcription)

(see also introduction to day 12)

Superintendent Sadeir giving evidence

2568 Who met Mr. Hare first when he arrived? He walked into the office and found us all there.

2569 Who first got up and shook hands with him?— I thought I did.

2570 Then we had some preliminary conversation?— Yes.

2571 How long did that last?— We asked several questions about things—I did—and Mr. Hare talked of some indifferent matters perhaps five or ten minutes before business began.

2572 That would bring us up to twelve, and you say we did not leave the office till one?— No, I did not say that.

2573 When did we leave the office then?— Some of us left the office as soon as the business part of the conversation was over and came in again.

2574 Came again?— I think so.

2575 Who did that?— You must understand I am only speaking from recollection of matters that seemed to me then, and even now, very unimportant. I am quite sure they all left the office at intervals after the business conversation was over. I have a recollection of seeing Mr. Hare speaking outside the office, I think to Mr. O'Connor. I have the recollection of being outside the office myself, and I have a recollection of Mr. Nicolson leaving the office; but this was all after the business part of the conversation was over.

2576 And before lunch time?— And before lunch time.

2577 Do you not remember that Mr. O'Connor went out first?— That is my impression decidedly.

2578 Who went out after and was talking outside with him. Do you not remember my talking to you after they had gone out of the room, and turning to you, and saying, “Is there anything I have forgotten?” —Yes.

2579 Who was in the room then?— Only us two. That was after the business was over.

2580 What was your reply?— I said, “Yes, you have told everything that I know to bear on the case.” You had made that appeal in Mr. Hare's presence also.

2581 Yes, but at last, when we were alone together, I turned towards you, and I asked you if there was anything I had forgotten?— Yes.

2582 What was your reply?— To the effect that you had told him everything.

2583 By the Commission. —And that is your opinion now as then?— Yes.

2584 By Mr. Nicolson. —You spoke of a large heap of papers on the left of the table containing the whole correspondence from the very beginning—a lot of old correspondence from the beginning of the outbreak to that date—was that alluded to at all?— I think that was pointed out by you to Mr. Hare.

2585 Were they handled or interfered with?— No.

2586 Do you remember that drawer in the table where I was seated—you know my usual seat?— Yes.

2587 Are there not two drawers?— Yes.

2588 Do you remember the drawer being open?— Yes.

2589 Were those particular papers in question connected with this enquiry, all the particular matters and special matters in that table?— Yes, they were all there.

2590 By the Commission. —You had specially confidential letters in that drawer—is that one— [showing a letter]?— Yes.

2591 Is there another drawer?— Yes, on the right-hand side.

2592 By Mr. Nicolson. —Was that interfered with?— No, that drawer was placed under Mr. Hare directly you left.

2593 Did not this small drawer contain all—describe the size of the drawer?— An ordinary small table drawer.

2594 How many packages—do you remember a large packet of papers, and that I said to Mr. Hare I had a particular reason I would like to keep them; they were of no use to him, and I would like to take them with me?— I remember an allusion of that sort for “Bruce's” papers.

2595 You know the reason, I dare say?— I do not know that I do.

2596 Do you remember those papers about the armour. How many letters did you find in that drawer —you sent them down to me?— On the 20th November you asked me for two letters.

2597 The letters connected with the armour?— You telegraphed me on the 18th, asking for the letters of this individual known as the “diseased stock” man. I say, “Your telegram of the 18 th November, asking for this man's letter, came in my absence, and it had to wait my return. I send now three letters, February 26th, May 14th, and May 20th, and some memoranda, some notes made by you undated. I suppose these are what you refer to, as I can find no others.”

2598 By the Commission. —That was in answer to the telegram?— Yes, he asked for those papers by telegram, and I sent them.....

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