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== The Royal Commission evidence for 15/6/1881 ==
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 15/6/1881|day 30]])
[[../../people/peQ_R/rawlinsC.html|'''Mr Charles C. Rawlins''']] '''giving evidence'''
<span id="rc11582">[[#rc11582|11582]]</span> Did he tell you he was wounded the moment he was?— I could not tell yes; I do not think so. I do not think he could.
<span id="rc11583">[[#rc11583|11583]]</span> You mean he remained standing up without saying he was wounded?— I could not tell you really; I do not understand the question.
<span id="rc11584">[[#rc11584|11584]]</span> Will you state to the Commission what Mr. [[Hare|Hare]] said to you?— He said, “I am wounded; I must go back.”
<span id="rc11585">[[#rc11585|11585]]</span> Did he do anything else?— He did not go back at the moment, but very shortly after.
<span id="rc11586">[[#rc11586|11586]]</span> Did he hand you his gun?— Yes, his gun and bag.
<span id="rc11587">[[#rc11587|11587]]</span> Saying what?— He said, “I must go back.” I went down to the station with him.
<span id="rc11588">[[#rc11588|11588]]</span> Did he say these words, “Rawlins, I am wounded; take my gun and bag, they are no use to me, I cannot load again”?— He made use of an expression of that kind. I asked him for the gun before.
<span id="rc11589">[[#rc11589|11589]]</span> ''By the Commission''— When he made use of that, had he retired through the wicket gate or not?— He was on the side next the hotel at the time he spoke to me about the gun, between the hotel and the gate.
<span id="rc11590">[[#rc11590|11590]]</span> Was his hand tied up at this time?— No, not at all; he was holding his wrist with his other hand.
<span id="rc11591">[[#rc11591|11591]]</span> ''By Mr. O'Connor''— Will you state where he went to?— I went down first of all with him to this first culvert, and then I stopped there, and we met some of the reporters; and then I went down to the station-master's house; and then I went with ammunition back to [[SConst John Kelly|Senior-Constable Kelly]], who had asked me to go back. I left the gun at the station when I went away.
<span id="rc11592">[[#rc11592|11592]]</span> ''By the Commission''— Were you close to him after be said he was shot?— Yes, standing within three yards.
<span id="rc11593">[[#rc11593|11593]]</span> Did he load again?— I could not tell you. In the excitement of the moment it would be impossible to tell, the smoke was so thick, and the yells, you could not see one another, the firing was so rapid. The smoke was blown gently on to the hotel, and it came up from the railway fence quite thick. You could not see anything at all, you could only hear people yelling and talking.
<span id="rc11594">[[#rc11594|11594]]</span> Did he load?— My impression was at the time be did not load again, but, of course, I did not see. I say this merely because the wound seemed to me to be so severe that he could not load again.
<span id="rc11595">[[#rc11595|11595]]</span> Several witnesses have sworn that after Mr. Hare was shot, he sang out to Senior-Constable Kelly to surround the place, that he was shot, and not allow them to escape; did you hear that?— Yes, I did, and I heard Kelly answer him too.
<span id="rc11596">[[#rc11596|11596]]</span> Did you hear him sing out to Mr. [[O'Connor|O'Connor]] at any time, “O'Connor, I am shot, do not allow them to escape”?— No, not “Do not allow them to escape;” he said, “I am wounded, O'Connor, I must go back.”
<span id="rc11597">[[#rc11597|11597]]</span> Do you know in what position Mr. Hare was when he said that to Mr. O'Connor, was he inside or outside the wicket gate?— He was inside, within the railway station reserve, just at the bridge.
<span id="rc11598">[[#rc11598|11598]]</span> The first or second bridge?— The second bridge.
<span id="rc11599">[[#rc11599|11599]]</span> Did you see Mr. O'Connor at that time?— No, I heard him.
<span id="rc11600">[[#rc11600|11600]]</span> Do you know where he was at the time you heard his voice then, when Mr. Hare addressed him?— I cannot tell very well on this plan.
<span id="rc11601">[[#rc11601|11601]]</span> Did Mr. O'Connor answer?— Yes, he was somewhere here about the fence, but I know I heard him shortly afterwards, when the wounded boy Jones and the woman came out. He challenged and said, “Let the woman come out” just there — [''pointing to the plan''].
<span id="rc11602">[[#rc11602|11602]]</span> If you can, I want you to indicate where Mr. O'Connor's voice came from at the time Mr. Hare addressed him?— From here—[''pointing to the plan''].
<span id="rc11603">[[#rc11603|11603]]</span> Where is that?— I did not see him.
<span id="rc11604">[[#rc11604|11604]]</span> Do you know there is a gully running down there?— Yes.
<span id="rc11605">[[#rc11605|11605]]</span> Was it in any portion of that you supposed the voice of Mr. O'Connor to come from?— Yes
<span id="rc11606">[[#rc11606|11606]]</span> Was that the gully nearest to the railway fence?— Yes, there is a corner in the drain, I looked at it in the morning, in which you can stand up and get a shot at the house. When I was at the railway gate where [[Neil McHugh|McHugh]] came with the wounded boy, I was most anxious that this part of the road should be defended.
<span id="rc11607">[[#rc11607|11607]]</span> ''By Mr. O'Connor''— Before coming to that. On not seeing me you were not prepared to swear where I was?— I could not swear where you were when Mr. Hare was shot, because this was several minutes after.
<span id="rc11608">[[#rc11608|11608]]</span> You accompanied Mr. Hare, you stated, back from the field?— Yes.....
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== The Royal Commission evidence for 15/6/1881 ==
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 15/6/1881|day 30]])
[[../../people/peQ_R/rawlinsC.html|'''Mr Charles C. Rawlins''']] '''giving evidence'''
<span id="rc11582">[[#rc11582|11582]]</span> Did he tell you he was wounded the moment he was?— I could not tell yes; I do not think so. I do not think he could.
<span id="rc11583">[[#rc11583|11583]]</span> You mean he remained standing up without saying he was wounded?— I could not tell you really; I do not understand the question.
<span id="rc11584">[[#rc11584|11584]]</span> Will you state to the Commission what Mr. [[Hare|Hare]] said to you?— He said, “I am wounded; I must go back.”
<span id="rc11585">[[#rc11585|11585]]</span> Did he do anything else?— He did not go back at the moment, but very shortly after.
<span id="rc11586">[[#rc11586|11586]]</span> Did he hand you his gun?— Yes, his gun and bag.
<span id="rc11587">[[#rc11587|11587]]</span> Saying what?— He said, “I must go back.” I went down to the station with him.
<span id="rc11588">[[#rc11588|11588]]</span> Did he say these words, “Rawlins, I am wounded; take my gun and bag, they are no use to me, I cannot load again”?— He made use of an expression of that kind. I asked him for the gun before.
<span id="rc11589">[[#rc11589|11589]]</span> ''By the Commission''— When he made use of that, had he retired through the wicket gate or not?— He was on the side next the hotel at the time he spoke to me about the gun, between the hotel and the gate.
<span id="rc11590">[[#rc11590|11590]]</span> Was his hand tied up at this time?— No, not at all; he was holding his wrist with his other hand.
<span id="rc11591">[[#rc11591|11591]]</span> ''By Mr. O'Connor''— Will you state where he went to?— I went down first of all with him to this first culvert, and then I stopped there, and we met some of the reporters; and then I went down to the station-master's house; and then I went with ammunition back to [[SConst John Kelly|Senior-Constable Kelly]], who had asked me to go back. I left the gun at the station when I went away.
<span id="rc11592">[[#rc11592|11592]]</span> ''By the Commission''— Were you close to him after be said he was shot?— Yes, standing within three yards.
<span id="rc11593">[[#rc11593|11593]]</span> Did he load again?— I could not tell you. In the excitement of the moment it would be impossible to tell, the smoke was so thick, and the yells, you could not see one another, the firing was so rapid. The smoke was blown gently on to the hotel, and it came up from the railway fence quite thick. You could not see anything at all, you could only hear people yelling and talking.
<span id="rc11594">[[#rc11594|11594]]</span> Did he load?— My impression was at the time be did not load again, but, of course, I did not see. I say this merely because the wound seemed to me to be so severe that he could not load again.
<span id="rc11595">[[#rc11595|11595]]</span> Several witnesses have sworn that after Mr. Hare was shot, he sang out to Senior-Constable Kelly to surround the place, that he was shot, and not allow them to escape; did you hear that?— Yes, I did, and I heard Kelly answer him too.
<span id="rc11596">[[#rc11596|11596]]</span> Did you hear him sing out to Mr. [[O'Connor|O'Connor]] at any time, “O'Connor, I am shot, do not allow them to escape”?— No, not “Do not allow them to escape;” he said, “I am wounded, O'Connor, I must go back.”
<span id="rc11597">[[#rc11597|11597]]</span> Do you know in what position Mr. Hare was when he said that to Mr. O'Connor, was he inside or outside the wicket gate?— He was inside, within the railway station reserve, just at the bridge.
<span id="rc11598">[[#rc11598|11598]]</span> The first or second bridge?— The second bridge.
<span id="rc11599">[[#rc11599|11599]]</span> Did you see Mr. O'Connor at that time?— No, I heard him.
<span id="rc11600">[[#rc11600|11600]]</span> Do you know where he was at the time you heard his voice then, when Mr. Hare addressed him?— I cannot tell very well on this plan.
<span id="rc11601">[[#rc11601|11601]]</span> Did Mr. O'Connor answer?— Yes, he was somewhere here about the fence, but I know I heard him shortly afterwards, when the wounded boy Jones and the woman came out. He challenged and said, “Let the woman come out” just there — [''pointing to the plan''].
<span id="rc11602">[[#rc11602|11602]]</span> If you can, I want you to indicate where Mr. O'Connor's voice came from at the time Mr. Hare addressed him?— From here—[''pointing to the plan''].
<span id="rc11603">[[#rc11603|11603]]</span> Where is that?— I did not see him.
<span id="rc11604">[[#rc11604|11604]]</span> Do you know there is a gully running down there?— Yes.
<span id="rc11605">[[#rc11605|11605]]</span> Was it in any portion of that you supposed the voice of Mr. O'Connor to come from?— Yes
<span id="rc11606">[[#rc11606|11606]]</span> Was that the gully nearest to the railway fence?— Yes, there is a corner in the drain, I looked at it in the morning, in which you can stand up and get a shot at the house. When I was at the railway gate where [[Neil McHugh|McHugh]] came with the wounded boy, I was most anxious that this part of the road should be defended.
<span id="rc11607">[[#rc11607|11607]]</span> ''By Mr. O'Connor''— Before coming to that. On not seeing me you were not prepared to swear where I was?— I could not swear where you were when Mr. Hare was shot, because this was several minutes after.
<span id="rc11608">[[#rc11608|11608]]</span> You accompanied Mr. Hare, you stated, back from the field?— Yes.....
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