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== The Royal Commission evidence for 12/4/1881 ==
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 12/4/1881|day 11]])
[[../../people/peU_Z/wyattMag.htm|'''Alfred Wyatt, P.M.''']] '''giving evidence'''
<span id="rc2213">[[#rc2213|2213]]</span> Let me call your attention to what you have not mentioned—did you pass Violet Town again?— Yes.
<span id="rc2214">[[#rc2214|2214]]</span> Did you get any information there?— No, we did not stop for any; we went straight through. I got off the engine, and went to where I found Detective [[Ward|Ward]], and said to him, “Get down here, Ward, and take note of the exact spot to which you will have to return to on the line with the horses,” because we could not put down horses there. He did so, and I got up into the carriage again, expecting him after me, but there was some little delay of a minute or two, and then somebody came to me and said, “There is somebody coming across the paddock, and they are singing out.” I looked out and saw two men coming, and I thought they were in their shirts, and that they had been stripped naked, and had no other clothing; but when they came near I discovered they had white silk coats on. The light was imperfect then. I then was told it was Mr. McCauley, the manager of the station, and some other person, and that they wished me to get down. I got down, and went with him up to the station with Detective Ward. I found from the time at which we arrived there and the time at which it will be daylight there would be plenty of time to take short depositions, and get back to [[Euroa|Euroa]] and send the men back before daylight.
<span id="rc2215">[[#rc2215|2215]]</span> You would be down by daylight?— Yes; I concluded there would be good room to take some short depositions.
<span id="rc2216">[[#rc2216|2216]]</span> About what?— About the men that had been there—the [[KellyGang|Kellys]]. I, therefore, took the depositions of Mr. McCauley and another person, I do not know whom, to be forwarded to Captain [[Standish|Standish]] for his use.
<span id="rc2217">[[#rc2217|2217]]</span> Did the train stop all this time?— The train waited; and as soon as that was done, which did not occupy more than twenty-five minutes or half-an-hour, I got back to the train, went rapidly to Euroa and put the horses out there. While that was being accomplished, something occurred which made me remember that I had noticed on the way down that it was not improbable that there might be a difficulty about the commanders of the expedition—Detective Ward and Senior-constable [[Johnston|Johnson]]. What I had noticed was this, that Sergeant Johnson was very eager, and so positive in his notions of what should be done, that I feared, if Ward should not agree with him, he would not be quite subordinate.
<span id="rc2218">[[#rc2218|2218]]</span> What were Johnson's opinions?— I cannot remember what they were now.
<span id="rc2219">[[#rc2219|2219]]</span> What was the eagerness—eagerness to get away and attack the Kellys or what?— I cannot say. He is a froward eager man rather.
<span id="rc2220">[[#rc2220|2220]]</span> Was he eager to get away?— That would not constitute him a froward man—a difficult man to control.
<span id="rc2221">[[#rc2221|2221]]</span> You are leaving us to form our own opinion?— I must do so; it is only my own opinion, for I cannot recall the facts that led me to form that opinion.
<span id="rc2222">[[#rc2222|2222]]</span> Did you ever in your whole experiences find the constables or sergeants or subordinates reluctant to pursue the Kellys ?— Never at any moment. I am glad that question has been asked—not one of them.
<span id="rc2223">[[#rc2223|2223]]</span> Was it your opinion that Johnson was only too anxious to get at the Kellys?— Yes, too anxious.
<span id="rc2224">[[#rc2224|2224]]</span> And Ward equally so?— Ward equally so; and every man I have ever met in the police has manifested the greatest eagerness to get at the Kellys, or to get in close quarters with them. I thought, from Johnson's strength of will, he might prove difficult to control.
<span id="rc2225">[[#rc2225|2225]]</span> Had you either of the Victorian [[Police Tactics|black trackers]] in your party?— I am told so; but I do not remember seeing either of them. I believe he was there; but I do not remember noticing or speaking to him till a later stage. I remember the question arose in my mind.
<span id="rc2226">[[#rc2226|2226]]</span> I will have to ask the question distinctly:—From the moment that you told them, and they had authentic information in Benalla, by the telegram of Captain Standish, of the [[Euroa|Euroa]] bank robbery, up to the time you saw them, and had to do with them, did the police show the greatest amount of eager desire to get at them in the speediest time?— They showed the greatest possible eagerness.
<span id="rc2227">[[#rc2227|2227]]</span> Did that eagerness exist in the minds of the police from the time you informed Whelan of what you had seen between Benalla and Euroa?— It always existed.
<span id="rc2228">[[#rc2228|2228]]</span> At all times?— At all times. I have been a great deal with the police. I have had a great deal of confidential communication with them; but the only person I was in contact with that evening was Whelan.
2229 Mr. Whelan also showed the same desire to capture the Kellys?— Yes; certainly.
2230 Did he show an extraordinary desire to take steps on that immediate information?— He did......
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== The Royal Commission evidence for 12/4/1881 ==
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 12/4/1881|day 11]])
[[../../people/peU_Z/wyattMag.htm|'''Alfred Wyatt, P.M.''']] '''giving evidence'''
<span id="rc2213">[[#rc2213|2213]]</span> Let me call your attention to what you have not mentioned—did you pass Violet Town again?— Yes.
<span id="rc2214">[[#rc2214|2214]]</span> Did you get any information there?— No, we did not stop for any; we went straight through. I got off the engine, and went to where I found Detective [[Ward|Ward]], and said to him, “Get down here, Ward, and take note of the exact spot to which you will have to return to on the line with the horses,” because we could not put down horses there. He did so, and I got up into the carriage again, expecting him after me, but there was some little delay of a minute or two, and then somebody came to me and said, “There is somebody coming across the paddock, and they are singing out.” I looked out and saw two men coming, and I thought they were in their shirts, and that they had been stripped naked, and had no other clothing; but when they came near I discovered they had white silk coats on. The light was imperfect then. I then was told it was Mr. McCauley, the manager of the station, and some other person, and that they wished me to get down. I got down, and went with him up to the station with Detective Ward. I found from the time at which we arrived there and the time at which it will be daylight there would be plenty of time to take short depositions, and get back to [[Euroa|Euroa]] and send the men back before daylight.
<span id="rc2215">[[#rc2215|2215]]</span> You would be down by daylight?— Yes; I concluded there would be good room to take some short depositions.
<span id="rc2216">[[#rc2216|2216]]</span> About what?— About the men that had been there—the [[KellyGang|Kellys]]. I, therefore, took the depositions of Mr. McCauley and another person, I do not know whom, to be forwarded to Captain [[Standish|Standish]] for his use.
<span id="rc2217">[[#rc2217|2217]]</span> Did the train stop all this time?— The train waited; and as soon as that was done, which did not occupy more than twenty-five minutes or half-an-hour, I got back to the train, went rapidly to Euroa and put the horses out there. While that was being accomplished, something occurred which made me remember that I had noticed on the way down that it was not improbable that there might be a difficulty about the commanders of the expedition—Detective Ward and Senior-constable [[Johnston|Johnson]]. What I had noticed was this, that Sergeant Johnson was very eager, and so positive in his notions of what should be done, that I feared, if Ward should not agree with him, he would not be quite subordinate.
<span id="rc2218">[[#rc2218|2218]]</span> What were Johnson's opinions?— I cannot remember what they were now.
<span id="rc2219">[[#rc2219|2219]]</span> What was the eagerness—eagerness to get away and attack the Kellys or what?— I cannot say. He is a froward eager man rather.
<span id="rc2220">[[#rc2220|2220]]</span> Was he eager to get away?— That would not constitute him a froward man—a difficult man to control.
<span id="rc2221">[[#rc2221|2221]]</span> You are leaving us to form our own opinion?— I must do so; it is only my own opinion, for I cannot recall the facts that led me to form that opinion.
<span id="rc2222">[[#rc2222|2222]]</span> Did you ever in your whole experiences find the constables or sergeants or subordinates reluctant to pursue the Kellys ?— Never at any moment. I am glad that question has been asked—not one of them.
<span id="rc2223">[[#rc2223|2223]]</span> Was it your opinion that Johnson was only too anxious to get at the Kellys?— Yes, too anxious.
<span id="rc2224">[[#rc2224|2224]]</span> And Ward equally so?— Ward equally so; and every man I have ever met in the police has manifested the greatest eagerness to get at the Kellys, or to get in close quarters with them. I thought, from Johnson's strength of will, he might prove difficult to control.
<span id="rc2225">[[#rc2225|2225]]</span> Had you either of the Victorian [[Police Tactics|black trackers]] in your party?— I am told so; but I do not remember seeing either of them. I believe he was there; but I do not remember noticing or speaking to him till a later stage. I remember the question arose in my mind.
<span id="rc2226">[[#rc2226|2226]]</span> I will have to ask the question distinctly:—From the moment that you told them, and they had authentic information in Benalla, by the telegram of Captain Standish, of the [[Euroa|Euroa]] bank robbery, up to the time you saw them, and had to do with them, did the police show the greatest amount of eager desire to get at them in the speediest time?— They showed the greatest possible eagerness.
<span id="rc2227">[[#rc2227|2227]]</span> Did that eagerness exist in the minds of the police from the time you informed Whelan of what you had seen between Benalla and Euroa?— It always existed.
<span id="rc2228">[[#rc2228|2228]]</span> At all times?— At all times. I have been a great deal with the police. I have had a great deal of confidential communication with them; but the only person I was in contact with that evening was Whelan.
2229 Mr. Whelan also showed the same desire to capture the Kellys?— Yes; certainly.
2230 Did he show an extraordinary desire to take steps on that immediate information?— He did......
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