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== The Royal Commission evidence for 14/4/1881 ==
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 14/4/1881|day 13]])
'''[[Sadleir|Superintendent Sadeir]]''' '''giving evidence'''
<span id="rc2960">[[#rc2960|2960]]</span> Have the police been unable to obtain any reliable information since the capture at [[Glenrowan|Glenrowan]] of the places where they had been in hiding singe the bank robbery at [[Jerilderie|Jerilderie]]?— Of course we have a little more certainty about it than before. Their manner of life I could tell you, I think, for the last few months before the outrage.
<span id="rc2961">[[#rc2961|2961]]</span> You are going to send down a report, and can show whether steps have been taken by the police to ascertain all the information it is possible to obtain, so that in the event of another outbreak of a similar character in that district they would have a reliable idea of the places where the outlaws secreted themselves?— We have learned very very little; my hands are a good deal tied. That sort of information you have to pay money for, and the Government have a great objection to paying anything except for salaries and wages.
<span id="rc2962">[[#rc2962|2962]]</span> You think that information could be obtained if money was available?— Yes. If I had the handing of perhaps a very few pounds, and send an agent in amongst them and get the talk and gossip, it would only be of use to me as information coming through gossip. I should be able to get all the information I have not been able to get, and information in the past that I would like.
<span id="rc2963">[[#rc2963|2963]]</span> Supposing you were told the hiding places of those men, [[Greta|Greta]], and so on, are there not hundreds of places equally secure?— Each party of outlaws would be guided by their connections and their nearness to a basis of supply. Probably if people in the Black Range broke out, they would make that their place; if people in [[Beechworth|Beechworth]] were to take to the bush, they would make that their principal centre.
<span id="rc2964">[[#rc2964|2964]]</span> Has the strength of the [[Police Organisation|police]] been reduced singe the capture?— We have a few men, perhaps eight or ten, extra.
<span id="rc2965">[[#rc2965|2965]]</span> At the time, I think you said 50 was the strength of the district?— No, 100 was the strength of the district—perhaps about 95 or 96—before the Kelly affair. I gave it in my evidence the other day, that the proper strength of the district, on the 1st of April 1879 , was 100 men, mounted and foot
2966 That is the united district— Mansfield, Benalla, and part of Kilmore, now known as the North-Eastern?— Yes.
<span id="rc2967">[[#rc2967|2967]]</span> Has the district been quiet lately?— There has been a great deal of [[Horse and Cattle stealing|horse-stealing]] lately, and I shall be glad to speak on that; as to the future prospects of the district—I think the prospects are very serious, and we may any day hear of some serious outbreaks.
2968 Do you know Kelly's surviving brother, [[James Kelly|James]]?— No.
<span id="rc2969">[[#rc2969|2969]]</span> Do you know he has been in gaol?— I know he has just come out of gaol in New South Wales —the end of last year.
<span id="rc2970">[[#rc2970|2970]]</span> Has the younger [[Tom Lloyd Jnr|Tom Lloyd]], who went about with Kelly, been in gaol?— Yes.
2971 Where is the Quinn who was arrested as a sympathizer?— There were two.
<span id="rc2972">[[#rc2972|2972]]</span> The one that was in gaol?— [[Jimmy Quinn|Jim Quinn]]?
2973 Yes?— He is at his sister's place—the [[Patrick Quinn|Farrells]]—constantly.
<span id="rc2974">[[#rc2974|2974]]</span> Are you aware that most of those men have been arrested and tried for serious offences, over I and over again?— I do not think Tom Lloyd has.
2975 His father?— He is dead.
2276 His uncle?— He has been in Pentridge for something—cattle-stealing, I think.
<span id="rc2977">[[#rc2977|2977]]</span> Did you know, of your own knowledge, that the constable in charge at Greta was attacked by a member of this family?— That was a mistake.
<span id="rc2978">[[#rc2978|2978]]</span> By [[Hall|Hall]]?— He is married to an aunt, but he is no relation.
<span id="rc2979">[[#rc2979|2979]]</span> What character do the Harts bear in the district—the brother of Steve?— [[Richard Hart|Dick Hart]] is an unconscionable young scoundrel.
2980 Has he been in gaol?— I think not. Those young men are doing no work—not one of them —they live by roguery.
<span id="rc2981">[[#rc2981|2981]]</span> Do you know the [[Wild Wright|Wright]]?— Yes, very well.
<span id="rc2982">[[#rc2982|2982]]</span> Do you know they have moved from Mansfield ?— Yes, to Lake Rowan , towards the Murray .
<span id="rc2983">[[#rc2983|2983]]</span> How do those men generally get their diving?— Part of the year they shear, probably taking somebody's horse with them to New South Wales . Then they make a little money, and I really think that is all the work they do for the rest of the year......
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== The Royal Commission evidence for 14/4/1881 ==
''''''
=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 14/4/1881|day 13]])
'''[[Sadleir|Superintendent Sadeir]]''' '''giving evidence'''
<span id="rc2960">[[#rc2960|2960]]</span> Have the police been unable to obtain any reliable information since the capture at [[Glenrowan|Glenrowan]] of the places where they had been in hiding singe the bank robbery at [[Jerilderie|Jerilderie]]?— Of course we have a little more certainty about it than before. Their manner of life I could tell you, I think, for the last few months before the outrage.
<span id="rc2961">[[#rc2961|2961]]</span> You are going to send down a report, and can show whether steps have been taken by the police to ascertain all the information it is possible to obtain, so that in the event of another outbreak of a similar character in that district they would have a reliable idea of the places where the outlaws secreted themselves?— We have learned very very little; my hands are a good deal tied. That sort of information you have to pay money for, and the Government have a great objection to paying anything except for salaries and wages.
<span id="rc2962">[[#rc2962|2962]]</span> You think that information could be obtained if money was available?— Yes. If I had the handing of perhaps a very few pounds, and send an agent in amongst them and get the talk and gossip, it would only be of use to me as information coming through gossip. I should be able to get all the information I have not been able to get, and information in the past that I would like.
<span id="rc2963">[[#rc2963|2963]]</span> Supposing you were told the hiding places of those men, [[Greta|Greta]], and so on, are there not hundreds of places equally secure?— Each party of outlaws would be guided by their connections and their nearness to a basis of supply. Probably if people in the Black Range broke out, they would make that their place; if people in [[Beechworth|Beechworth]] were to take to the bush, they would make that their principal centre.
<span id="rc2964">[[#rc2964|2964]]</span> Has the strength of the [[Police Organisation|police]] been reduced singe the capture?— We have a few men, perhaps eight or ten, extra.
<span id="rc2965">[[#rc2965|2965]]</span> At the time, I think you said 50 was the strength of the district?— No, 100 was the strength of the district—perhaps about 95 or 96—before the Kelly affair. I gave it in my evidence the other day, that the proper strength of the district, on the 1st of April 1879 , was 100 men, mounted and foot
2966 That is the united district— Mansfield, Benalla, and part of Kilmore, now known as the North-Eastern?— Yes.
<span id="rc2967">[[#rc2967|2967]]</span> Has the district been quiet lately?— There has been a great deal of [[Horse and Cattle stealing|horse-stealing]] lately, and I shall be glad to speak on that; as to the future prospects of the district—I think the prospects are very serious, and we may any day hear of some serious outbreaks.
2968 Do you know Kelly's surviving brother, [[James Kelly|James]]?— No.
<span id="rc2969">[[#rc2969|2969]]</span> Do you know he has been in gaol?— I know he has just come out of gaol in New South Wales —the end of last year.
<span id="rc2970">[[#rc2970|2970]]</span> Has the younger [[Tom Lloyd Jnr|Tom Lloyd]], who went about with Kelly, been in gaol?— Yes.
2971 Where is the Quinn who was arrested as a sympathizer?— There were two.
<span id="rc2972">[[#rc2972|2972]]</span> The one that was in gaol?— [[Jimmy Quinn|Jim Quinn]]?
2973 Yes?— He is at his sister's place—the [[Patrick Quinn|Farrells]]—constantly.
<span id="rc2974">[[#rc2974|2974]]</span> Are you aware that most of those men have been arrested and tried for serious offences, over I and over again?— I do not think Tom Lloyd has.
2975 His father?— He is dead.
2276 His uncle?— He has been in Pentridge for something—cattle-stealing, I think.
<span id="rc2977">[[#rc2977|2977]]</span> Did you know, of your own knowledge, that the constable in charge at Greta was attacked by a member of this family?— That was a mistake.
<span id="rc2978">[[#rc2978|2978]]</span> By [[Hall|Hall]]?— He is married to an aunt, but he is no relation.
<span id="rc2979">[[#rc2979|2979]]</span> What character do the Harts bear in the district—the brother of Steve?— [[Richard Hart|Dick Hart]] is an unconscionable young scoundrel.
2980 Has he been in gaol?— I think not. Those young men are doing no work—not one of them —they live by roguery.
<span id="rc2981">[[#rc2981|2981]]</span> Do you know the [[Wild Wright|Wright]]?— Yes, very well.
<span id="rc2982">[[#rc2982|2982]]</span> Do you know they have moved from Mansfield ?— Yes, to Lake Rowan , towards the Murray .
<span id="rc2983">[[#rc2983|2983]]</span> How do those men generally get their diving?— Part of the year they shear, probably taking somebody's horse with them to New South Wales . Then they make a little money, and I really think that is all the work they do for the rest of the year......
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