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== The Royal Commission evidence for 13/5/1881 ==
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 13/5/1881|day 19]])
'''[[Kirkham|Const Thomas Kirkham]] '''giving evidence''''''
<span id="rc6790">[[#rc6790|6790]]</span> It was after you came back that Mr. [[O'Connor|O'Connor]] asked you to remain there?— Yes.
<span id="rc6791">[[#rc6791|6791]]</span> Was it in consequence of your having no ammunition, or why; did he assign any reason?— No, he said, “I would recommend you to stop here.”
<span id="rc6792">[[#rc6792|6792]]</span> Then how long did you stop there; did you stop till you heard Mr. [[Sadleir|Sadleir]]'s party come?— Yes, I was there when they came. I heard their train come up to the station.
<span id="rc6793">[[#rc6793|6793]]</span> Did Mr. Sadleir come to you where you were, or did you go towards him?— I think Mr. O'Connor was going to send me over to tell Mr. Sadleir to come.
<span id="rc6794">[[#rc6794|6794]]</span> Did he tell you to?— Yes
<span id="rc6795">[[#rc6795|6795]]</span> Did you do so?— No, I do not think I did.
<span id="rc6796">[[#rc6796|6796]]</span> You remained there?— Yes.
<span id="rc6797">[[#rc6797|6797]]</span> Did you see Mr. Sadleir talking to Mr. O'Connor?— Yes.
<span id="rc6798">[[#rc6798|6798]]</span> Did you see them talking together?— Yes.
<span id="rc6799">[[#rc6799|6799]]</span> Did they go away then out of this trench?— As far as I remember, that is when Mr. Sadleir sent me for provisions.
<span id="rc6800">[[#rc6800|6800]]</span> How long before you took round the provisions was it that Ned Kelly was captured?— I could not say.
<span id="rc6801">[[#rc6801|6801]]</span> Was it long before that?— I do not know.
<span id="rc6802">[[#rc6802|6802]]</span> Did you occupy, any time during the day, any position round the house with ammunition— did you go back to the same position?— No, I went to the end where Kelly was captured.
<span id="rc6803">[[#rc6803|6803]]</span> Did you not see Mr. O'Connor again, or when did you see him again after leaving Mr. Sadleir in the trench?— I think it was nearly eleven o'clock ; they were both talking at the Wangaratta end of the building.
<span id="rc6804">[[#rc6804|6804]]</span> Before or after the prisoners were out?— After.
<span id="rc6805">[[#rc6805|6805]]</span> Did you speak to Neil McHugh?— No.
<span id="rc6806">[[#rc6806|6806]]</span> So what you heard about him was hearsay?— Yes, from Phillips, I think.
<span id="rc6807">[[#rc6807|6807]]</span> Did you receive any orders from either of those gentlemen—either Mr. Sadleir or Mr. O'Connor—after you were in the drain with the food?— I do not remember any, only the one from Mr. Sadleir to “fire high.”
<span id="rc6808">[[#rc6808|6808]]</span> Who gave you instructions to go round the building?— No body.
<span id="rc6809">[[#rc6809|6809]]</span> Did you do it on your own account, us you thought best, or anything of that sort?— I did it on my own account. There were a lot of men then, and they were changing about.
<span id="rc6810">[[#rc6810|6810]]</span> Did you look upon Mr. O'Connor at any time as giving you instructions after he said, “You had better remain here?”—Mr. O'Connor gave me no orders at all.
<span id="rc6811">[[#rc6811|6811]]</span> While he was in the drain did he lead you to believe he had charge of the party?— No, but I considered he was my officer at that time inasmuch as I was given over to him by the Victorian Government to look after his boys. I understood I was to look after his boys there.
<span id="rc6812">[[#rc6812|6812]]</span> You left the railway platform with Mr. Hare and Mr. O'Connor?— Yes.
<span id="rc6813">[[#rc6813|6813]]</span> How far did you move in the direction of the hotel when you three were close together; Mr. Hare was in advance, Mr. O'Connor second, and you third?— Yes.
<span id="rc6814">[[#rc6814|6814]]</span> How long had you proceeded from the railway before you saw [[Ned Kelly|Ned Kelly]] or any of the gang come out on the verandah?— A very few minutes.
<span id="rc6815">[[#rc6815|6815]]</span> Do you remember the first volley fired?— Yes.
<span id="rc6816">[[#rc6816|6816]]</span> Where from?— From the verandah.
<span id="rc6817">[[#rc6817|6817]]</span> Were you in a position to see Mr. Hare or Mr. O'Connor fire in return?— I was in a, position to see Mr. Hare.
<span id="rc6818">[[#rc6818|6818]]</span> Did Mr. [[Hare|Hare]] fire?— All fired.
<span id="rc6819">[[#rc6819|6819]]</span> Did you see Mr. Hare fire any shots in the direction of the hotel at that time?— Yes.
<span id="rc6820">[[#rc6820|6820]]</span> How many?— I could not say.
<span id="rc6821">[[#rc6821|6821]]</span> About how many?— I could not say.
<span id="rc6822">[[#rc6822|6822]]</span> There were only three of you at that time, cannot you form some idea of the number fired by you three?— I could not....
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== The Royal Commission evidence for 13/5/1881 ==
''''''
=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 13/5/1881|day 19]])
'''[[Kirkham|Const Thomas Kirkham]] '''giving evidence''''''
<span id="rc6790">[[#rc6790|6790]]</span> It was after you came back that Mr. [[O'Connor|O'Connor]] asked you to remain there?— Yes.
<span id="rc6791">[[#rc6791|6791]]</span> Was it in consequence of your having no ammunition, or why; did he assign any reason?— No, he said, “I would recommend you to stop here.”
<span id="rc6792">[[#rc6792|6792]]</span> Then how long did you stop there; did you stop till you heard Mr. [[Sadleir|Sadleir]]'s party come?— Yes, I was there when they came. I heard their train come up to the station.
<span id="rc6793">[[#rc6793|6793]]</span> Did Mr. Sadleir come to you where you were, or did you go towards him?— I think Mr. O'Connor was going to send me over to tell Mr. Sadleir to come.
<span id="rc6794">[[#rc6794|6794]]</span> Did he tell you to?— Yes
<span id="rc6795">[[#rc6795|6795]]</span> Did you do so?— No, I do not think I did.
<span id="rc6796">[[#rc6796|6796]]</span> You remained there?— Yes.
<span id="rc6797">[[#rc6797|6797]]</span> Did you see Mr. Sadleir talking to Mr. O'Connor?— Yes.
<span id="rc6798">[[#rc6798|6798]]</span> Did you see them talking together?— Yes.
<span id="rc6799">[[#rc6799|6799]]</span> Did they go away then out of this trench?— As far as I remember, that is when Mr. Sadleir sent me for provisions.
<span id="rc6800">[[#rc6800|6800]]</span> How long before you took round the provisions was it that Ned Kelly was captured?— I could not say.
<span id="rc6801">[[#rc6801|6801]]</span> Was it long before that?— I do not know.
<span id="rc6802">[[#rc6802|6802]]</span> Did you occupy, any time during the day, any position round the house with ammunition— did you go back to the same position?— No, I went to the end where Kelly was captured.
<span id="rc6803">[[#rc6803|6803]]</span> Did you not see Mr. O'Connor again, or when did you see him again after leaving Mr. Sadleir in the trench?— I think it was nearly eleven o'clock ; they were both talking at the Wangaratta end of the building.
<span id="rc6804">[[#rc6804|6804]]</span> Before or after the prisoners were out?— After.
<span id="rc6805">[[#rc6805|6805]]</span> Did you speak to Neil McHugh?— No.
<span id="rc6806">[[#rc6806|6806]]</span> So what you heard about him was hearsay?— Yes, from Phillips, I think.
<span id="rc6807">[[#rc6807|6807]]</span> Did you receive any orders from either of those gentlemen—either Mr. Sadleir or Mr. O'Connor—after you were in the drain with the food?— I do not remember any, only the one from Mr. Sadleir to “fire high.”
<span id="rc6808">[[#rc6808|6808]]</span> Who gave you instructions to go round the building?— No body.
<span id="rc6809">[[#rc6809|6809]]</span> Did you do it on your own account, us you thought best, or anything of that sort?— I did it on my own account. There were a lot of men then, and they were changing about.
<span id="rc6810">[[#rc6810|6810]]</span> Did you look upon Mr. O'Connor at any time as giving you instructions after he said, “You had better remain here?”—Mr. O'Connor gave me no orders at all.
<span id="rc6811">[[#rc6811|6811]]</span> While he was in the drain did he lead you to believe he had charge of the party?— No, but I considered he was my officer at that time inasmuch as I was given over to him by the Victorian Government to look after his boys. I understood I was to look after his boys there.
<span id="rc6812">[[#rc6812|6812]]</span> You left the railway platform with Mr. Hare and Mr. O'Connor?— Yes.
<span id="rc6813">[[#rc6813|6813]]</span> How far did you move in the direction of the hotel when you three were close together; Mr. Hare was in advance, Mr. O'Connor second, and you third?— Yes.
<span id="rc6814">[[#rc6814|6814]]</span> How long had you proceeded from the railway before you saw [[Ned Kelly|Ned Kelly]] or any of the gang come out on the verandah?— A very few minutes.
<span id="rc6815">[[#rc6815|6815]]</span> Do you remember the first volley fired?— Yes.
<span id="rc6816">[[#rc6816|6816]]</span> Where from?— From the verandah.
<span id="rc6817">[[#rc6817|6817]]</span> Were you in a position to see Mr. Hare or Mr. O'Connor fire in return?— I was in a, position to see Mr. Hare.
<span id="rc6818">[[#rc6818|6818]]</span> Did Mr. [[Hare|Hare]] fire?— All fired.
<span id="rc6819">[[#rc6819|6819]]</span> Did you see Mr. Hare fire any shots in the direction of the hotel at that time?— Yes.
<span id="rc6820">[[#rc6820|6820]]</span> How many?— I could not say.
<span id="rc6821">[[#rc6821|6821]]</span> About how many?— I could not say.
<span id="rc6822">[[#rc6822|6822]]</span> There were only three of you at that time, cannot you form some idea of the number fired by you three?— I could not....
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