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== The Royal Commission evidence for 28/7/1881 ==
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 28/7/1881|day 40]])
[[../../people/peU_Z/wardPdet.html|'''Det Michael Edward Ward''']] '''giving evidence'''
14180 That was a part of the work you and Mullane had to perform, to keep them at the work, and keep them from becoming discontented?— Yes; I must say the work was very severe on the men.
<span id="rc14181">[[#rc14181|14181]]</span> Have you reason to believe that the cave party were discovered before the police were withdrawn?— In my opinion, from what I heard since, I believe it was never discovered by the friends of the outlaws until after the police were withdrawn.
<span id="rc14182">[[#rc14182|14182]]</span> ''By the Commission''— Upon what do you found that opinion?— Upon what happened after— what came to my knowledge after the cave party was withdrawn, from enquiries made. I made several enquiries; in fact, the [[Donoghue|schoolmaster]] on the Woolshed said to me, “ Ward , if you place confidence in me, I could do some good for you.” I said, “What do you mean? ” He said, “In having those police watching.” I said, “You would be the wrong man for me to place confidence in.”
14183 ''By the Commission''— This man was a sympathizer with the Kellys?— Yes.
14184 His answer would lead you to believe that he knew nothing about the police being there watching?— Yes.
<span id="rc14185">[[#rc14185|14185]]</span> ''By Mr. Nicolson''— According to your knowledge, did the [[Chappell|Chappells]] know nothing about it?— I could not say. I never went there after I found him out in betraying me in something else.
14186 You had enquires made all round the area?— I had careful enquiries made.
<span id="rc14187">[[#rc14187|14187]]</span> One of the constables, I forget whether it was Barry or Falkiner, alluded to a child passing backwards and forwards between the Sherritt's and Byrne's; what girl was that?— [[Ann Jane Sherritt|Ann Jane Sherritt]], by my instructions, going to Mrs. Byrne's.
<span id="rc14188">[[#rc14188|14188]]</span> What is the character of this girl with reference to secrecy and cunning?— She is a secret, cunning, good girl, and I have proved her to be that.
<span id="rc14189">[[#rc14189|14189]]</span> Did you on more than one occasion ask me to have an interview with her to see what extraordinary secrecy and acuteness she possessed?— I did repeatedly; I proved her to be true to me.
<span id="rc14190">[[#rc14190|14190]]</span> Did not the safety and lives of the Sherritts depend upon the secrecy observed?— Most undoubtedly so. On one occasion Ann Jane Sherritt said she received a letter from [[Mrs Margaret Byrne|Mrs. Byrne]] to go and see her, and Mrs. Byrne told her then that [[Joe Byrne|Joe Byrne]] and [[Dan Kelly|Dan Kelly]] called at the Black Dog Creek. Joe Byrne gave a letter to Mrs. Byron to deliver it to Mrs. Byrne . Mrs. Byron , not being on good terms with Mrs. Byrne , she sent the letter by her husband to Batchelor, who lives next door to Byrne, which he delivered to Mrs. Byrne . We had enquiries made, and found that [[Lord Byron's Shanty|Byron]] was at [[Archibald Batchelor|Batchelor]]'s just about the time, and that is how I proved her to be true to me.
<span id="rc14191">[[#rc14191|14191]]</span> You have other proof besides that?— Many others, but that is one fact. The day after I was examined in Beechworth I saw Mrs. Barry . She told me that she was in the hut on the night that Mr. Hare and I visited there, that the constables accused me of telling them to tell a falsehood. I do not remember seeing her there.
14192 ''The Chairman'';— She said she heard whispering, but did not know what it was.
''The witness withdrew.''
''Adjourned to Tuesday next at'' ''Eleven o'clock'' ''.''
[~[[see report of proceedings 28/7/81]|6416]~]
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== The Royal Commission evidence for 28/7/1881 ==
''''''
=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 28/7/1881|day 40]])
[[../../people/peU_Z/wardPdet.html|'''Det Michael Edward Ward''']] '''giving evidence'''
14180 That was a part of the work you and Mullane had to perform, to keep them at the work, and keep them from becoming discontented?— Yes; I must say the work was very severe on the men.
<span id="rc14181">[[#rc14181|14181]]</span> Have you reason to believe that the cave party were discovered before the police were withdrawn?— In my opinion, from what I heard since, I believe it was never discovered by the friends of the outlaws until after the police were withdrawn.
<span id="rc14182">[[#rc14182|14182]]</span> ''By the Commission''— Upon what do you found that opinion?— Upon what happened after— what came to my knowledge after the cave party was withdrawn, from enquiries made. I made several enquiries; in fact, the [[Donoghue|schoolmaster]] on the Woolshed said to me, “ Ward , if you place confidence in me, I could do some good for you.” I said, “What do you mean? ” He said, “In having those police watching.” I said, “You would be the wrong man for me to place confidence in.”
14183 ''By the Commission''— This man was a sympathizer with the Kellys?— Yes.
14184 His answer would lead you to believe that he knew nothing about the police being there watching?— Yes.
<span id="rc14185">[[#rc14185|14185]]</span> ''By Mr. Nicolson''— According to your knowledge, did the [[Chappell|Chappells]] know nothing about it?— I could not say. I never went there after I found him out in betraying me in something else.
14186 You had enquires made all round the area?— I had careful enquiries made.
<span id="rc14187">[[#rc14187|14187]]</span> One of the constables, I forget whether it was Barry or Falkiner, alluded to a child passing backwards and forwards between the Sherritt's and Byrne's; what girl was that?— [[Ann Jane Sherritt|Ann Jane Sherritt]], by my instructions, going to Mrs. Byrne's.
<span id="rc14188">[[#rc14188|14188]]</span> What is the character of this girl with reference to secrecy and cunning?— She is a secret, cunning, good girl, and I have proved her to be that.
<span id="rc14189">[[#rc14189|14189]]</span> Did you on more than one occasion ask me to have an interview with her to see what extraordinary secrecy and acuteness she possessed?— I did repeatedly; I proved her to be true to me.
<span id="rc14190">[[#rc14190|14190]]</span> Did not the safety and lives of the Sherritts depend upon the secrecy observed?— Most undoubtedly so. On one occasion Ann Jane Sherritt said she received a letter from [[Mrs Margaret Byrne|Mrs. Byrne]] to go and see her, and Mrs. Byrne told her then that [[Joe Byrne|Joe Byrne]] and [[Dan Kelly|Dan Kelly]] called at the Black Dog Creek. Joe Byrne gave a letter to Mrs. Byron to deliver it to Mrs. Byrne . Mrs. Byron , not being on good terms with Mrs. Byrne , she sent the letter by her husband to Batchelor, who lives next door to Byrne, which he delivered to Mrs. Byrne . We had enquiries made, and found that [[Lord Byron's Shanty|Byron]] was at [[Archibald Batchelor|Batchelor]]'s just about the time, and that is how I proved her to be true to me.
<span id="rc14191">[[#rc14191|14191]]</span> You have other proof besides that?— Many others, but that is one fact. The day after I was examined in Beechworth I saw Mrs. Barry . She told me that she was in the hut on the night that Mr. Hare and I visited there, that the constables accused me of telling them to tell a falsehood. I do not remember seeing her there.
14192 ''The Chairman'';— She said she heard whispering, but did not know what it was.
''The witness withdrew.''
''Adjourned to Tuesday next at'' ''Eleven o'clock'' ''.''
[~[[see report of proceedings 28/7/81]|6416]~]
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