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== The Royal Commission evidence for 11/5/1881 ==
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 11/5/1881|day 18]])
''''''Constable Alfred John [[Const Faulkiner|Faulkiner]]''' giving evidence'''
<span id="rc5768">[[#rc5768|5768]]</span> ''By Mr. Sadleir''. —To show the fact. You could tell the difference between the marks a day old and a week old?— Yes, but not after rain.
<span id="rc5769">[[#rc5769|5769]]</span> Suppose there was no rain?— I would be able to make out.
<span id="rc5770">[[#rc5770|5770]]</span> Pretty well?— Yes.
<span id="rc5771">[[#rc5771|5771]]</span> On the 3rd November you say there was information about the Kellys crossing?— Yes.
<span id="rc5772">[[#rc5772|5772]]</span> You never saw the original report?— No.
<span id="rc5773">[[#rc5773|5773]]</span> Have you any idea whether the Kellys were said to have crossed, or some men supposed to be the Kellys?— Said to be the Kellys?
<span id="rc5774">[[#rc5774|5774]]</span> Are you not aware that Inspector [[Brooke Smith|Brook Smith]] reported fully in the matter?— No.
<span id="rc5775">[[#rc5775|5775]]</span> Your first letter to Mr. Hare was in June 1880. You reported that some person told you that the Kellys had been seen coming on the Fifteen-mile Creek, and living on a Chinaman at a certain place—where is that certain place?— I do not think I reported that.
''By the Commission'' . —The letter states what did occur.
<span id="rc5776">[[#rc5776|5776]]</span> ''By Mr. Sadleir''. —Or information to that effect?— Not living with a Chinaman, getting provisions from a Chinese store.
<span id="rc5777">[[#rc5777|5777]]</span> You have mentioned in that letter that they got those provisions from Chinamen, at a certain place; did you mention the place to Mr. Hare?— No, I did not.
<span id="rc5778">[[#rc5778|5778]]</span> What was the good of that information to Mr. Hare, then?— Because we had not at that time seen it. We had only been informed they had been getting provisions, and intended, when we could, to see if the information was correct.
<span id="rc5779">[[#rc5779|5779]]</span> This was on the 16th, and your next letter the 22nd?— Yes.
<span id="rc5780">[[#rc5780|5780]]</span> Was this very valuable information lying idle all this time?— We called on the Chinaman. He was not there, and we could not wait.
<span id="rc5781">[[#rc5781|5781]]</span> What was the value of that information, I ask you, as a sensible man—that they were getting provisions from a Chinaman at a certain place; what officer could make any use of that?— They could make no use of it as I furnished it, till I got further particulars.
<span id="rc5782">[[#rc5782|5782]]</span> Did you furnish it on the 22nd, “The best thing that we can do is to return” —could got no information—is there any fresh information there?— Yes.
<span id="rc5783">[[#rc5783|5783]]</span> Then your third letter of the 23rd June is to this effect—a party of armed men being seen in the neighborhood of [[Rutherglen|Rutherglen]]?— Yes.
<span id="rc5784">[[#rc5784|5784]]</span> Is not your third letter entirely about that, and nothing else?— Yes.
<span id="rc5785">[[#rc5785|5785]]</span> So that this valuable information you never thought any more about?— No.
''The Commission'' . Mr. Hare verbally.
''Mr. Hare'' . —Mr. Sadleir was not in the room when he gave me full particulars about it.
<span id="rc5786">[[#rc5786|5786]]</span> ''By Mr. Sadleir''.-—When did you come back to see your officer?— On the 25th.
<span id="rc5787">[[#rc5787|5787]]</span> That was nine days afterwards?— Yes.
<span id="rc5788">[[#rc5788|5788]]</span> You reported first on the 16th, that you had this valuable information about the Chinaman, and the first time you mentioned the cave to Mr. Hare was the 25th. You did delay explaining fully to Mr. Hare about it till then?— Yes, I did.
<span id="rc5789">[[#rc5789|5789]]</span> That was very valuable information?— Yes.
<span id="rc5790">[[#rc5790|5790]]</span> What was the value of it?— That they were getting provisions from a Chinese store. This information we received on the 15th or 16th, but our reasons for not being able to give the full particulars were that we called, and the Chinaman was not at home.
<span id="rc5791">[[#rc5791|5791]]</span> It might have been valuable, but it was not because you had not full information at the time?— It was not full.
<span id="rc5792">[[#rc5792|5792]]</span> Then it was not valuable?— It was, but we could not follow it up.
<span id="rc5793">[[#rc5793|5793]]</span> ''By the Commission''. —Was it of value to let Mr. Hare know where the Kellys were?— We had first to see the Chinaman, before we could in form Mr. Hare, and he was not there, and would not be home till about the end of the week.
<span id="rc5794">[[#rc5794|5794]]</span> ''By Mr. Sadleir''. —What was the “certain place”?— Either the Buckland Flat or Gap.
<span id="rc5795">[[#rc5795|5795]]</span> ''By the Commission''. —Did you ever go to to the place you heard they were being supplied at?— No.....
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''''''
=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 11/5/1881|day 18]])
''''''Constable Alfred John [[Const Faulkiner|Faulkiner]]''' giving evidence'''
<span id="rc5768">[[#rc5768|5768]]</span> ''By Mr. Sadleir''. —To show the fact. You could tell the difference between the marks a day old and a week old?— Yes, but not after rain.
<span id="rc5769">[[#rc5769|5769]]</span> Suppose there was no rain?— I would be able to make out.
<span id="rc5770">[[#rc5770|5770]]</span> Pretty well?— Yes.
<span id="rc5771">[[#rc5771|5771]]</span> On the 3rd November you say there was information about the Kellys crossing?— Yes.
<span id="rc5772">[[#rc5772|5772]]</span> You never saw the original report?— No.
<span id="rc5773">[[#rc5773|5773]]</span> Have you any idea whether the Kellys were said to have crossed, or some men supposed to be the Kellys?— Said to be the Kellys?
<span id="rc5774">[[#rc5774|5774]]</span> Are you not aware that Inspector [[Brooke Smith|Brook Smith]] reported fully in the matter?— No.
<span id="rc5775">[[#rc5775|5775]]</span> Your first letter to Mr. Hare was in June 1880. You reported that some person told you that the Kellys had been seen coming on the Fifteen-mile Creek, and living on a Chinaman at a certain place—where is that certain place?— I do not think I reported that.
''By the Commission'' . —The letter states what did occur.
<span id="rc5776">[[#rc5776|5776]]</span> ''By Mr. Sadleir''. —Or information to that effect?— Not living with a Chinaman, getting provisions from a Chinese store.
<span id="rc5777">[[#rc5777|5777]]</span> You have mentioned in that letter that they got those provisions from Chinamen, at a certain place; did you mention the place to Mr. Hare?— No, I did not.
<span id="rc5778">[[#rc5778|5778]]</span> What was the good of that information to Mr. Hare, then?— Because we had not at that time seen it. We had only been informed they had been getting provisions, and intended, when we could, to see if the information was correct.
<span id="rc5779">[[#rc5779|5779]]</span> This was on the 16th, and your next letter the 22nd?— Yes.
<span id="rc5780">[[#rc5780|5780]]</span> Was this very valuable information lying idle all this time?— We called on the Chinaman. He was not there, and we could not wait.
<span id="rc5781">[[#rc5781|5781]]</span> What was the value of that information, I ask you, as a sensible man—that they were getting provisions from a Chinaman at a certain place; what officer could make any use of that?— They could make no use of it as I furnished it, till I got further particulars.
<span id="rc5782">[[#rc5782|5782]]</span> Did you furnish it on the 22nd, “The best thing that we can do is to return” —could got no information—is there any fresh information there?— Yes.
<span id="rc5783">[[#rc5783|5783]]</span> Then your third letter of the 23rd June is to this effect—a party of armed men being seen in the neighborhood of [[Rutherglen|Rutherglen]]?— Yes.
<span id="rc5784">[[#rc5784|5784]]</span> Is not your third letter entirely about that, and nothing else?— Yes.
<span id="rc5785">[[#rc5785|5785]]</span> So that this valuable information you never thought any more about?— No.
''The Commission'' . Mr. Hare verbally.
''Mr. Hare'' . —Mr. Sadleir was not in the room when he gave me full particulars about it.
<span id="rc5786">[[#rc5786|5786]]</span> ''By Mr. Sadleir''.-—When did you come back to see your officer?— On the 25th.
<span id="rc5787">[[#rc5787|5787]]</span> That was nine days afterwards?— Yes.
<span id="rc5788">[[#rc5788|5788]]</span> You reported first on the 16th, that you had this valuable information about the Chinaman, and the first time you mentioned the cave to Mr. Hare was the 25th. You did delay explaining fully to Mr. Hare about it till then?— Yes, I did.
<span id="rc5789">[[#rc5789|5789]]</span> That was very valuable information?— Yes.
<span id="rc5790">[[#rc5790|5790]]</span> What was the value of it?— That they were getting provisions from a Chinese store. This information we received on the 15th or 16th, but our reasons for not being able to give the full particulars were that we called, and the Chinaman was not at home.
<span id="rc5791">[[#rc5791|5791]]</span> It might have been valuable, but it was not because you had not full information at the time?— It was not full.
<span id="rc5792">[[#rc5792|5792]]</span> Then it was not valuable?— It was, but we could not follow it up.
<span id="rc5793">[[#rc5793|5793]]</span> ''By the Commission''. —Was it of value to let Mr. Hare know where the Kellys were?— We had first to see the Chinaman, before we could in form Mr. Hare, and he was not there, and would not be home till about the end of the week.
<span id="rc5794">[[#rc5794|5794]]</span> ''By Mr. Sadleir''. —What was the “certain place”?— Either the Buckland Flat or Gap.
<span id="rc5795">[[#rc5795|5795]]</span> ''By the Commission''. —Did you ever go to to the place you heard they were being supplied at?— No.....
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