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== The Royal Commission evidence for 13/4/1881 ==
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 13/4/1881|day 12]])
'''[[Sadleir|Superintendent Sadeir]]''' '''giving evidence'''
<span id="rc2599">[[#rc2599|2599]]</span> Did he ask for these papers as Acting Commissioner of Police?— Yes.
<span id="rc2600">[[#rc2600|2600]]</span> Not as a private individual?— No, as Acting Chief Commissioner of Police.
<span id="rc2601">[[#rc2601|2601]]</span> In November?— I think his telegram, asking for them, is in the hands of the Secretary of the Commission.
<span id="rc2602">[[#rc2602|2602]]</span> Mr. [[Nicolson|Nicolson]] said he wrote for them in a private character?— I wrote to him as Chief Commissioner of Police, and responded to his telegram, and would not have sent them if he had not telegraphed as Acting Chief Commissioner of Police. I attached the papers to the telegram. The practice is, when you get the telegram ordering certain information, you attach your return to the telegram, and turn it up and say “Forwarded herewith.” 20th November was my reply to his telegram of the 18th.
<span id="rc2603">[[#rc2603|2603]]</span> He was head of the Police Department then?— Yes.
<span id="rc2604">[[#rc2604|2604]]</span> ''By Mr. Nicolson''. —Coming back to [[ev80-06-28Glenrowan|that day]], do you remember my handing an envelope with those letters to Mr. Hare?— I do not remember those papers particularly. I found them in the other drawer when I sent them to you.
2605 How were they in the other drawer?— All together.
2606 Were they not in the envelope?— Yes, with one enclosure.
<span id="rc2607">[[#rc2607|2607]]</span> Were they not in one envelope when I handed them to Mr. Hare?— I cannot speak so well of your papers, because your drawer was private and under your control, and I cannot well say how you kept your papers. You had the key of both those drawers, and though I often saw documents in them, still they were not under my daily observation, as my own were.
2608 Had you not access to them?— Not unless I went for the key.
<span id="rc2609">[[#rc2609|2609]]</span> You do not suppose any one would keep our documents unlocked?— Certainly not; but the drawer was under your control.
<span id="rc2610">[[#rc2610|2610]]</span> You were speaking about some expedition, the last information about the Kelly gang where there was an expedition—had I not come in from the expedition the day previous?— Yes, from the place I named, Sheep Station Creek; from the reported appearance of the [[KellyGang|Kellys]] there.
<span id="rc2611">[[#rc2611|2611]]</span> After that, up to the time that Mr. Hare left, from that date to then, did Mr. Hare ever utter any complaint to you about not having received information?— The only complaint he made was about the discharge of those agents, no other about the want of information. He had all the information I could possibly give him, and that was all he could possibly obtain from anybody else.
<span id="rc2612">[[#rc2612|2612]]</span> You say, as I handed the papers to him, I explained the contents?— You explained without reserve, to my mind, all that an officer relieving you would require to know.
<span id="rc2613">[[#rc2613|2613]]</span> Do you recollect Mr. Hare interrupting, “What was your last news, when did you receive it?”—I think that was said.
<span id="rc2614">[[#rc2614|2614]]</span> Do you recollect, in reply, my referring to their recent appearance at [[Chiltern|Chiltern]], two of them at certain person's place?— Yes, I do. I was not aware it was Chiltern.
<span id="rc2615">[[#rc2615|2615]]</span> Did I not then go on to explain to Mr. Hare from there right down to their appearance at Sheep Station Creek, when I had been out on an expedition the day before?— Well, I was only observant of this as to whether you gave him all the information that we then knew of the Kellys without noticing details. I remember distinctly you told him everything—all information that I knew to be in existence. I do not remember those details. I was occupied a good deal myself with my own business in the office, and I cannot give you an answer to each of those questions as you put them.
2616 ''By the Commission''. —What time did Mr. Nicolson leave at night?— Six o'clock .
<span id="rc2617">[[#rc2617|2617]]</span> Then he must have been there about seven hours while Mr. Hare was there?— About seven hours—yes.
2618 You and Mr. Nicolson occupied the same office?— Yes.
2619 And there were two tables in that office?— Yes.
<span id="rc2620">[[#rc2620|2620]]</span> Who attended to the discipline of the ordinary men. Supposing a change of men from Wood's Point to Jamieson, who would do that?— They were all under my discretion.
2621 You would specially deal with those?— Yes.
2622 You say there was another table, that Mr. Nicolson occupied?— Yes.
2623 You stated also that a bundle of papers connected with the ordinary correspondence was on the shelf?— No, that had relation only to the Kelly business.
2624 Close to Mr. Nicolson's table there was a lot of papers connected with the Kelly business?— Yes.
2625 There were two drawers in the table that Mr. Nicolson sat at?— Yes.
2626 Did I understand you to say he opened the drawer, and said to Mr. Hare— “There are all the papers containing the circumstances relating to the ease”?— Yes.....
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''''''
=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 13/4/1881|day 12]])
'''[[Sadleir|Superintendent Sadeir]]''' '''giving evidence'''
<span id="rc2599">[[#rc2599|2599]]</span> Did he ask for these papers as Acting Commissioner of Police?— Yes.
<span id="rc2600">[[#rc2600|2600]]</span> Not as a private individual?— No, as Acting Chief Commissioner of Police.
<span id="rc2601">[[#rc2601|2601]]</span> In November?— I think his telegram, asking for them, is in the hands of the Secretary of the Commission.
<span id="rc2602">[[#rc2602|2602]]</span> Mr. [[Nicolson|Nicolson]] said he wrote for them in a private character?— I wrote to him as Chief Commissioner of Police, and responded to his telegram, and would not have sent them if he had not telegraphed as Acting Chief Commissioner of Police. I attached the papers to the telegram. The practice is, when you get the telegram ordering certain information, you attach your return to the telegram, and turn it up and say “Forwarded herewith.” 20th November was my reply to his telegram of the 18th.
<span id="rc2603">[[#rc2603|2603]]</span> He was head of the Police Department then?— Yes.
<span id="rc2604">[[#rc2604|2604]]</span> ''By Mr. Nicolson''. —Coming back to [[ev80-06-28Glenrowan|that day]], do you remember my handing an envelope with those letters to Mr. Hare?— I do not remember those papers particularly. I found them in the other drawer when I sent them to you.
2605 How were they in the other drawer?— All together.
2606 Were they not in the envelope?— Yes, with one enclosure.
<span id="rc2607">[[#rc2607|2607]]</span> Were they not in one envelope when I handed them to Mr. Hare?— I cannot speak so well of your papers, because your drawer was private and under your control, and I cannot well say how you kept your papers. You had the key of both those drawers, and though I often saw documents in them, still they were not under my daily observation, as my own were.
2608 Had you not access to them?— Not unless I went for the key.
<span id="rc2609">[[#rc2609|2609]]</span> You do not suppose any one would keep our documents unlocked?— Certainly not; but the drawer was under your control.
<span id="rc2610">[[#rc2610|2610]]</span> You were speaking about some expedition, the last information about the Kelly gang where there was an expedition—had I not come in from the expedition the day previous?— Yes, from the place I named, Sheep Station Creek; from the reported appearance of the [[KellyGang|Kellys]] there.
<span id="rc2611">[[#rc2611|2611]]</span> After that, up to the time that Mr. Hare left, from that date to then, did Mr. Hare ever utter any complaint to you about not having received information?— The only complaint he made was about the discharge of those agents, no other about the want of information. He had all the information I could possibly give him, and that was all he could possibly obtain from anybody else.
<span id="rc2612">[[#rc2612|2612]]</span> You say, as I handed the papers to him, I explained the contents?— You explained without reserve, to my mind, all that an officer relieving you would require to know.
<span id="rc2613">[[#rc2613|2613]]</span> Do you recollect Mr. Hare interrupting, “What was your last news, when did you receive it?”—I think that was said.
<span id="rc2614">[[#rc2614|2614]]</span> Do you recollect, in reply, my referring to their recent appearance at [[Chiltern|Chiltern]], two of them at certain person's place?— Yes, I do. I was not aware it was Chiltern.
<span id="rc2615">[[#rc2615|2615]]</span> Did I not then go on to explain to Mr. Hare from there right down to their appearance at Sheep Station Creek, when I had been out on an expedition the day before?— Well, I was only observant of this as to whether you gave him all the information that we then knew of the Kellys without noticing details. I remember distinctly you told him everything—all information that I knew to be in existence. I do not remember those details. I was occupied a good deal myself with my own business in the office, and I cannot give you an answer to each of those questions as you put them.
2616 ''By the Commission''. —What time did Mr. Nicolson leave at night?— Six o'clock .
<span id="rc2617">[[#rc2617|2617]]</span> Then he must have been there about seven hours while Mr. Hare was there?— About seven hours—yes.
2618 You and Mr. Nicolson occupied the same office?— Yes.
2619 And there were two tables in that office?— Yes.
<span id="rc2620">[[#rc2620|2620]]</span> Who attended to the discipline of the ordinary men. Supposing a change of men from Wood's Point to Jamieson, who would do that?— They were all under my discretion.
2621 You would specially deal with those?— Yes.
2622 You say there was another table, that Mr. Nicolson occupied?— Yes.
2623 You stated also that a bundle of papers connected with the ordinary correspondence was on the shelf?— No, that had relation only to the Kelly business.
2624 Close to Mr. Nicolson's table there was a lot of papers connected with the Kelly business?— Yes.
2625 There were two drawers in the table that Mr. Nicolson sat at?— Yes.
2626 Did I understand you to say he opened the drawer, and said to Mr. Hare— “There are all the papers containing the circumstances relating to the ease”?— Yes.....
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