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Story of the KellyGang - the Royal Commission evidence

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== The Royal Commission evidence for 9/6/1881 ==

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(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 9/6/1881|day 28]])

[[../../people/peA/arthurJPC.html|'''Const James Arthur''']] '''sworn and examined'''.

<span id="rc11076">[[#rc11076|11076]]</span> ''By the Commission''— What are you?— Mounted constable.

<span id="rc11077">[[#rc11077|11077]]</span> Were you out in any of the [[Police Search Parties|search parties]] after the Kellys?— Yes.

<span id="rc11078">[[#rc11078|11078]]</span> In the time that Mr. Hare was in the North-east?— Yes, I was out with him.

<span id="rc11079">[[#rc11079|11079]]</span> And with Mr. Nicolson?— Yes.

<span id="rc11080">[[#rc11080|11080]]</span> You have been there all through?— Yes, I have.

<span id="rc11081">[[#rc11081|11081]]</span> Did you in any of those parties believe that at any time,You came near upon catching the Kellys?— No; I cannot say that.

<span id="rc11082">[[#rc11082|11082]]</span> You had no information that you had come, or were coming, close up to them at any time?— No

<span id="rc11083">[[#rc11083|11083]]</span> Did you, in acting upon information you received, ever have the idea that you were getting close to them?— No.

<span id="rc11084">[[#rc11084|11084]]</span> Did you form any opinion while you were in that district as to whether it was a good method to go out in large parties and scour the country, as was done under Mr. Hare?— Yes, I have; I don't think it was—going out in large parties.

<span id="rc11085">[[#rc11085|11085]]</span> You do not think it was calculated to catch the men?— No; it was impossible.

<span id="rc11086">[[#rc11086|11086]]</span> Did you form any opinion as to the private agents that Mr. [[Nicolson|Nicolson]] had?— Some of them were good; in fact I know one that was good.

<span id="rc11087">[[#rc11087|11087]]</span> Did you ever get information that led you to believe you were near the Kellys' or in acting upon it that brought you anywhere near?— Well to where they had been.

<span id="rc11088">[[#rc11088|11088]]</span> How long before?— A fortnight before.

<span id="rc11089">[[#rc11089|11089]]</span> Do you think that information was of any value?— No, not any.

<span id="rc11090">[[#rc11090|11090]]</span> Have you formed any opinion of what the best method of dealing with such a gang would be?— The only way is to send out men to watch the sympathizers by night, but not go out in large parties; say two or three to watch them night and day.

<span id="rc11091">[[#rc11091|11091]]</span> Do you think it would be a good method now, before anything of the sort should occur, to have strong, active young men riding through that district, and making themselves acquainted with all the inhabitants?— Yes, it would.

<span id="rc11092">[[#rc11092|11092]]</span> Do you think they would be in a better position, if an outbreak came, to catch the men at the time, than men going into the district?— Yes; they would have a better knowledge of the country and the people round.

<span id="rc11093">[[#rc11093|11093]]</span> They would know all the people?— Yes.

<span id="rc11094">[[#rc11094|11094]]</span> Do you think a pursuit carried on on that principle would be much more likely to drive the men out of the country or catch them?— Yes, it would.

<span id="rc11095">[[#rc11095|11095]]</span> Small parties?— Small parties.

<span id="rc11096">[[#rc11096|11096]]</span> Riding in different directions?— Riding in different directions.

<span id="rc11097">[[#rc11097|11097]]</span> By concert meeting at different places and comparing notes?— Yes.

<span id="rc11098">[[#rc11098|11098]]</span> Were you in the cave party?— No, I was with Mr. Hare in the first party, when he watched [[Mrs Margaret Byrne|Byrne's]] house.

<span id="rc11099">[[#rc11099|11099]]</span> Did you understand when you watched Byrne's that you might have been watched yourselves?— Yes.

<span id="rc11100">[[#rc11100|11100]]</span> Did you think you were?— I did.

<span id="rc11101">[[#rc11101|11101]]</span> That it was known while you were there?— Yes; [[Aaron Sherritt|Sherritt]] knew, and he was not to be trusted.

<span id="rc11102">[[#rc11102|11102]]</span> Would you trust Sherritt?— No.

<span id="rc11103">[[#rc11103|11103]]</span> Did he ever give any reliable information as to where the outlaws were?— No; he would say, in speaking about Byrne, not to shoot him; and as for [[Ned Kelly|Ned Kelly]], he said that he would never be taken, not by all the police in Victoria; they would never get him. That is the way he would be talking.

<span id="rc11104">[[#rc11104|11104]]</span> Did you consider at the time he was an agent of Ned Kelly?— I did.

<span id="rc11105">[[#rc11105|11105]]</span> You always thought so?— I always thought so.

<span id="rc11106">[[#rc11106|11106]]</span> Did his actions at any time lead you to suppose that was the case?— By his talk and the way he would go away, come and stop with us a night, and next night be away, and move out all hours of the night, and never have anything that was any account. He would be always blowing about Ned Kelly and Byrne never being taken.....

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