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== The Royal Commission evidence for 20/7/1881 ==
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 20/7/1881|day 37]])
'''SConst Patrick [[SConst P Mullane|Mullane]]''' '''giving evidence'''
<span id="rc13662">[[#rc13662|13662]]</span> Do you place called [[Mrs Margaret Byrne|London]] , where it ie very steep at the end of the gully?— Yes.
<span id="rc13663">[[#rc13663|13663]]</span> That is the rooks; all the sides are very precipitous and steep—they are about what height?— They are very high.
<span id="rc13664">[[#rc13664|13664]]</span> Are they nearly perpendicular?— There is only a little place that you can ride a horse, and then it takes a sure-footed mountain horse.
<span id="rc13665">[[#rc13665|13665]]</span> Are you aware that Aaron [[Aaron Sherritt|Sherritt]] was able to ride down it, and the outlaws?— I would not say that they could.
<span id="rc13666">[[#rc13666|13666]]</span> I saw Sherritt do it myself?— That is the gully getting down to [[Sebastopol|Sebastopol]] ?
<span id="rc13667">[[#rc13667|13667]]</span> Down the steepest part—you say you doubt it very much?— Yes; all would depend on his horse.
<span id="rc13668">[[#rc13668|13668]]</span> You know what sort of horses the Kellys had, and the class of men they were?— Yes.
<span id="rc13669">[[#rc13669|13669]]</span> What chance would our men have in pursuing them through rocky, stony, rangy country?— There are some of our men who, if they had good horses, are better horsemen than they were, I have no doubt of it. I have hunted kangaroo with them, and I never saw them stop at anything.
<span id="rc13670">[[#rc13670|13670]]</span> Are you aware, after the cave was abandoned, that some handwriting was discovered—did you hear of that?— I heard something about some letter being picked up on the flat beyond where the cave was; but who told me about it I could not tell. I did not hear whose letter it was, but a letter belonging to some one of the police.
<span id="rc13671">[[#rc13671|13671]]</span> Did you hear what man?— No; I would not be certain if it was not Ward who told me, or some one of the Sherritts.
<span id="rc13672">[[#rc13672|13672]]</span> When the cave party were in existence, and the relief party were in here, I was very often coming up to Beechworth?— Yes.
<span id="rc13673">[[#rc13673|13673]]</span> Was I in the habit of conversing with those men?— Yes, you were, sometimes in my presence, and at other times wherever you met them, in the yard.
<span id="rc13674">[[#rc13674|13674]]</span> Had they an opportunity of telling me anything they wished to report to me—anything particular?— Yes.
<span id="rc13675">[[#rc13675|13675]]</span> They had every encouragement?— They had every advantage as far as I was concerned, because I would leave any man free to speak of any matter; if it was a private matter I would leave him free to do so.
<span id="rc13676">[[#rc13676|13676]]</span> Did you ever hear anything from Sherritt to lead you to suppose that Mrs. Byrne had discovered the cave party?— No, I heard nothing to lead me to believe the police were discovered in the cave or in Sherritt's house, and from the conversations I have had with Mrs. Byrne since, I am still more convinced that the presence of the police at either place was not known to her.
<span id="rc13677">[[#rc13677|13677]]</span> ''Mr.[[Hare|Hare]]'' — Do you remember my second visit to Benalla?— Yes.
<span id="rc13678">[[#rc13678|13678]]</span> Do you know the day I relieved Mr. [[Nicolson|Nicolson]] ?— Yes.
<span id="rc13679">[[#rc13679|13679]]</span> Did you that afternoon receive a telegram?— I did.
<span id="rc13680">[[#rc13680|13680]]</span> From whom?— From Mr. Nicolson .
<span id="rc13681">[[#rc13681|13681]]</span> Is that the one I sent to the Commission?— Yes.
<span id="rc13682">[[#rc13682|13682]]</span> That was giving you directions to do what?— I would wish to see the telegram; it was to send back Armstrong to the station; that there was no more money available for “ Tommy or his friends.” We used to call [[Aaron Sherritt|Sherritt Moses]] and Tommy and all names:— “Send Constable [[Const Armstrong|Armstrong]] back to his station; withdraw the watch party and send them to duty.” Armstrong was one of the men in charge
<span id="rc13683">[[#rc13683|13683]]</span> What station was he to be sent to?— [[Wahgunyah (2)|Wahgunyah.]]
<span id="rc13684">[[#rc13684|13684]]</span> You received an order to send him from Beechworth to Wahgunyah?— Yes.
<span id="rc13685">[[#rc13685|13685]]</span> Then what else?— To withdraw the watch party that was in the house. I may state that the watch party had been withdrawn from the house the morning, or the morning before, I got this telegram. It was withdrawn by order, I was informed, of Mr. Nicolson ; that he told Sherritt to go back to the hut and tell the men to come back.
''Mr.'' ''Nicolson'' . —I am glad that has come out, as I had forgotten it.
''The Witness'' —When Mr. Nicolson came up with the party of black trackers, he came to [[Sebastopol|Sebastopol]] from [[Everton|Everton]], and after the tracks were looked into, Sherritt was with him, he sent Sherritt back to the hotel to tell the men to return to Beechworth.....
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== The Royal Commission evidence for 20/7/1881 ==
''''''
=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 20/7/1881|day 37]])
'''SConst Patrick [[SConst P Mullane|Mullane]]''' '''giving evidence'''
<span id="rc13662">[[#rc13662|13662]]</span> Do you place called [[Mrs Margaret Byrne|London]] , where it ie very steep at the end of the gully?— Yes.
<span id="rc13663">[[#rc13663|13663]]</span> That is the rooks; all the sides are very precipitous and steep—they are about what height?— They are very high.
<span id="rc13664">[[#rc13664|13664]]</span> Are they nearly perpendicular?— There is only a little place that you can ride a horse, and then it takes a sure-footed mountain horse.
<span id="rc13665">[[#rc13665|13665]]</span> Are you aware that Aaron [[Aaron Sherritt|Sherritt]] was able to ride down it, and the outlaws?— I would not say that they could.
<span id="rc13666">[[#rc13666|13666]]</span> I saw Sherritt do it myself?— That is the gully getting down to [[Sebastopol|Sebastopol]] ?
<span id="rc13667">[[#rc13667|13667]]</span> Down the steepest part—you say you doubt it very much?— Yes; all would depend on his horse.
<span id="rc13668">[[#rc13668|13668]]</span> You know what sort of horses the Kellys had, and the class of men they were?— Yes.
<span id="rc13669">[[#rc13669|13669]]</span> What chance would our men have in pursuing them through rocky, stony, rangy country?— There are some of our men who, if they had good horses, are better horsemen than they were, I have no doubt of it. I have hunted kangaroo with them, and I never saw them stop at anything.
<span id="rc13670">[[#rc13670|13670]]</span> Are you aware, after the cave was abandoned, that some handwriting was discovered—did you hear of that?— I heard something about some letter being picked up on the flat beyond where the cave was; but who told me about it I could not tell. I did not hear whose letter it was, but a letter belonging to some one of the police.
<span id="rc13671">[[#rc13671|13671]]</span> Did you hear what man?— No; I would not be certain if it was not Ward who told me, or some one of the Sherritts.
<span id="rc13672">[[#rc13672|13672]]</span> When the cave party were in existence, and the relief party were in here, I was very often coming up to Beechworth?— Yes.
<span id="rc13673">[[#rc13673|13673]]</span> Was I in the habit of conversing with those men?— Yes, you were, sometimes in my presence, and at other times wherever you met them, in the yard.
<span id="rc13674">[[#rc13674|13674]]</span> Had they an opportunity of telling me anything they wished to report to me—anything particular?— Yes.
<span id="rc13675">[[#rc13675|13675]]</span> They had every encouragement?— They had every advantage as far as I was concerned, because I would leave any man free to speak of any matter; if it was a private matter I would leave him free to do so.
<span id="rc13676">[[#rc13676|13676]]</span> Did you ever hear anything from Sherritt to lead you to suppose that Mrs. Byrne had discovered the cave party?— No, I heard nothing to lead me to believe the police were discovered in the cave or in Sherritt's house, and from the conversations I have had with Mrs. Byrne since, I am still more convinced that the presence of the police at either place was not known to her.
<span id="rc13677">[[#rc13677|13677]]</span> ''Mr.[[Hare|Hare]]'' — Do you remember my second visit to Benalla?— Yes.
<span id="rc13678">[[#rc13678|13678]]</span> Do you know the day I relieved Mr. [[Nicolson|Nicolson]] ?— Yes.
<span id="rc13679">[[#rc13679|13679]]</span> Did you that afternoon receive a telegram?— I did.
<span id="rc13680">[[#rc13680|13680]]</span> From whom?— From Mr. Nicolson .
<span id="rc13681">[[#rc13681|13681]]</span> Is that the one I sent to the Commission?— Yes.
<span id="rc13682">[[#rc13682|13682]]</span> That was giving you directions to do what?— I would wish to see the telegram; it was to send back Armstrong to the station; that there was no more money available for “ Tommy or his friends.” We used to call [[Aaron Sherritt|Sherritt Moses]] and Tommy and all names:— “Send Constable [[Const Armstrong|Armstrong]] back to his station; withdraw the watch party and send them to duty.” Armstrong was one of the men in charge
<span id="rc13683">[[#rc13683|13683]]</span> What station was he to be sent to?— [[Wahgunyah (2)|Wahgunyah.]]
<span id="rc13684">[[#rc13684|13684]]</span> You received an order to send him from Beechworth to Wahgunyah?— Yes.
<span id="rc13685">[[#rc13685|13685]]</span> Then what else?— To withdraw the watch party that was in the house. I may state that the watch party had been withdrawn from the house the morning, or the morning before, I got this telegram. It was withdrawn by order, I was informed, of Mr. Nicolson ; that he told Sherritt to go back to the hut and tell the men to come back.
''Mr.'' ''Nicolson'' . —I am glad that has come out, as I had forgotten it.
''The Witness'' —When Mr. Nicolson came up with the party of black trackers, he came to [[Sebastopol|Sebastopol]] from [[Everton|Everton]], and after the tracks were looked into, Sherritt was with him, he sent Sherritt back to the hotel to tell the men to return to Beechworth.....
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