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Story of the KellyGang - the Royal Commission evidence

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== The Royal Commission evidence for 5/5/1881 ==

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(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 5/5/1881|day 16]])

[[../../people/peU_Z/wilsonJacobFA.html|'''Jacob Wilson''']] '''giving evidence'''

[[#rc4634|4634]] Did you hear old Lloyd?— No. I heard footsteps of some one on the other side, but I cannot tell who they were.

[[#rc4635|4635]] ''By Mr. Sadleir''. —Did you see any arms with them?— I did not.

[[#rc4636|4636]] And yet you think they were looking after the police—the outlaws?— I am certain sure it was the outlaws.

''Mr. Sadleir'' . —I have a note of that visit too.

[[#rc4637|4637]] ''By the Commission''. —What did he tell about that?:

''Mr. [[Nicolson|Nicolson]]'' . —Not a word, not the smallest word. The note about it is simply “A visit from old Wilson, [[Greta|Greta]].” His story was pretty much all as it is now. He was sure there were visits of people to the Lloyds, and that is why the action was taken.

[[#rc4638|4638]] ''By the Commission''. —Is there a date to that “ A visit from old Wilson, Greta”?

''Mr. Nicolson'' . —14th May.

[[#rc4639|4639]] ''By the Commission'' (to the witness). —You could not have told on the 14th about the time you were up the tree?— Yes, that is the time I was up the tree, and I did not tell till the 16th. I was sick the day after; I was frightened to death. I told Mr. Nicolson and Mr. Sadleir both.

[[#rc4640|4640]] Did you tell them you had to take refuge in a tree on the night of the 14th?— Yes.

[[#rc4641|4641]] Did you see them take notes?— No.

[[#rc4642|4642]] Did you tell them you had seen Dan Kelly and Lloyd together there?— I cannot tell that.

[[#rc4643|4643]] ''By Mr. Sadleir''. —Did you ever see Dan Kelly after that at Lloyd's?— No.

[[#rc4644|4644]] You saw Mr. Hare also?— Yes.

[[#rc4645|4645]] Did you tell him about it?— No, Mr. Hare never questioned me.

[[#rc4646|4646]] Did you tell him you had seen him?— I do not know whether I spoke to him about being in the cherry-tree or not, because I spoke to Superintendent Nicolson about that.

[[#rc4647|4647]] Did you see Ned Kelly at Lloyd's after that?— No, not Dan Kelly.

[[#rc4648|4648]] ''By the Commission''. —Did you see Ned Kelly after the murders of the police at Mansfield?— Yes.

[[#rc4649|4649]] You said just now you could not say whether it was before or after the murders?— I said two or three months after the murders. I do not remember whether it was December or January when he crossed the road.

[[#rc4650|4650]] ''By Mr. Nicolson''. —Do you remember seeing me once in the office?— Yes.

[[#rc4651|4651]] You applied for your son about the police force?— Yes.

[[#rc4652|4652]] And in the course of our conversation you told me something about mounted men coming to Lloyd 's house in the evening?— Yes.

[[#rc4653|4653]] Did you not ask me to send a man there to watch there?— No; you asked me could I take a couple of men out, and that you would pay for them, and I said to you that I would be quite willing if you would promise me to protect me if anything happened, and you said you would, and it was all right, and it was a very dangerous matter for me to take a man there.

[[#rc4654|4654]] Are you aware that just a day or two after that, that I met old [[Tom Lloyd|Tom Lloyd]] in the road?— No, I am not.

[[#rc4655|4655]] Do you remember one time in the [[Kilfera|Kilfera]] road seeing me talking with Tom Lloyd, both of us on horseback?— I remember it very well, but I did not know it was you then;—you had a big coat on.

[[#rc4656|4656]] Do you remember, on that particular road, one afternoon seeing me talking with Tom Lloyd, both of us on horseback, and you went back?— Yes, I do, perfectly well. Tom Lloyd had a bundle of boots on his saddle. I did not know you, and I did not like to look much, because Tom Lloyd might be inquisitive.

[[#rc4657|4657]] Are you aware that Tom Lloyd abused you to me?— No.

[[#rc4658|4658]] He did abuse you as a personal enemy, and that he had his eye on you. I did not send two men there?— No.

[[#rc4659|4659]] I did not send Stephens to you?— No.....

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