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04:04, 15 November 2015 Story of the KellyGang - the Royal Commission evidence
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== The Royal Commission evidence for 5/5/1881 ==
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(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 5/5/1881|day 16]])
[[../../people/peU_Z/wilsonJacobFA.html|'''Jacob Wilson''']] '''giving evidence'''
<span id="rc4660">[[#rc4660|4660]]</span> Are you aware that [[Stephens|Stephens]] was a man very well known as working at the railway?— Yes, but I did not know that then.
<span id="rc4661">[[#rc4661|4661]]</span> Are you aware when I proposed to send Stephens to your place that it was impossible, as he was almost as well known as you were there; was he not known to the people all about?— Yes.
<span id="rc4662">[[#rc4662|4662]]</span> Was he not known to the Lloyds ?— I do not know.
<span id="rc4663">[[#rc4663|4663]]</span> Are you not aware that Stephens, the railway man, was known as a railway guard?— I know he was well known to them all about there as being a railway guard.
<span id="rc4664">[[#rc4664|4664]]</span> Would it have been a proper thing of me to have sent Stephens to take care of you—a man so well known as a Government servant?— No, it would not be the proper thing to send him.
<span id="rc4665">[[#rc4665|4665]]</span> Are you aware I was removed from the district soon after that?— Yes, in the latter end of May. I told you distinctly— “If you send men to my place, send dirty-looking men, who would not be detected as being policemen.”
<span id="rc4666">[[#rc4666|4666]]</span> ''By the Commission''. —Did Stephens go out in the day?— No, only night.
<span id="rc4667">[[#rc4667|4667]]</span> He was not known to be there by the outlaws' friends?— Oh, they knew that he was there. They knew there was a man, because I stated to them that there was a man stopping at my place. He was going up shooting—that was the yarn I gave them—and I allowed him to leave his horse in my paddock till he was ready to go up; and when the [[KellyGang|Kellys]] were captured this man disappeared.
<span id="rc4668">[[#rc4668|4668]]</span> Did they know it was Stephens at that time?— No, they said where was the man gone that was stopping at your place. I said we ran out of provisions, and said he could go and stop where he liked. I made it up to clear myself.
<span id="rc4669">[[#rc4669|4669]]</span> He came to your place on the 14th of June?— Yes.
<span id="rc4670">[[#rc4670|4670]]</span> Did you know his name was Stephens ?— Not till he told me himself.
<span id="rc4671">[[#rc4671|4671]]</span> How soon did you know that?— The same day he came.
<span id="rc4672">[[#rc4672|4672]]</span> To your knowledge did the people about there know he was Stephens that was in the pay of the Government in June?— Yes, they did, because he had been three months on Glenrowan railway station, and they were going up there with their produce, and he was helping to unload on the railway.
<span id="rc4673">[[#rc4673|4673]]</span> Did the people round there know that he was in your house as Stephens . Did he show himself about the neighborhood that they would know?— Yes.
<span id="rc4674">[[#rc4674|4674]]</span> You said they did not know he was there?— They knew it was Stephens , because two men ploughing my land knew him directly they saw him, and their names were Petersons , living at [[Greta|Greta]] .
<span id="rc4675">[[#rc4675|4675]]</span> Did Stephens tell you he was dismissed from the railway service?— He told me, of course. I know it when he came to me what he was. He told me he had been on the Glenrowan railway station, and that he was dismissed. [[McDonnell's Railway Taven|McDonald]] did not know but that he was dismissed.
<span id="rc4676">[[#rc4676|4676]]</span> Who was McDonald ?— The publican.
<span id="rc4677">[[#rc4677|4677]]</span> Did Stephens tell you he knew the Kellys by appearance?— No.
<span id="rc4678">[[#rc4678|4678]]</span> Did he say he would know them if he saw them?— No.
<span id="rc4679">[[#rc4679|4679]]</span> ''By'' ''Mr.'' ''Hare'' . —He saw them at Faithfull's Creek?— Yes.
<span id="rc4680">[[#rc4680|4680]]</span> Did he not say he knew the outlaws?— Yes, he said if I saw Byrne ever, he had a double lip.
''The witness withdrew''
''Adjourned to to morrow at'' ''Eleven o'clock''
[~[[See report of Proceedings 5/5/81]|6000]~]
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'''[[Royal Commission report 10/5/1881|10/5/1881]]'''
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