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== The Royal Commission evidence for 12/4/1881 ==
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 12/4/1881|day 11]])
'''Superintendent [[Sadleir|Sadleir]] giving evidence'''
<span id="rc2053">[[#rc2053|2053]]</span> Did you gather the reverse from the men—did any sergeants or competent officer of the force ever indicate that it would be desirable to keep the Kellys hunted, to keep them on the move?— No. I think, as far as I understood the temper of the police, they were altogether of my way of thinking; that is what I understood of the men. I was going on to say that, on the 11th July, information was received that the [[KellyGang|Kellys]] were seen—two of them—near [[Sebastopol|Sebastopol]] . I know that Mr. Nicolson consulted with Detective [[Ward|Ward]] and Senior-Constable [[SConst P Mullane|Mullane]] on the subject; and I believe it was not thought prudent to act upon it, but to guard the banks which were being threatened particularly by the outlaws —the banks at Beechworth. On the same date it was reported positively that [[Dan Kelly|Dan Kelly]] was seen near [[Doon|Doon]] , that is [[Mansfield|Mansfield]] , nearly 80 miles away from Beechworth; and it was not until the 13th that the police were able to find out that this was without foundation. During the whole of this time reports of various kinds were coming in. They were very puzzling, and gave a great deal of trouble, and nearly all of them were entirely without any foundation whatever; and I think it was in consequence of this unsatisfactory state of things that Mr. [[Nicolson|Nicolson]] kept almost exclusively to working by private [[agents|agents]]. We both of us did what we could to get hold of suitable men, who knew the Kellys, and who knew the country, and were good bushmen, and who could go in and out among the sympathizers without being suspected. Of course this was a very difficult matter to get such men.
<span id="rc2054">[[#rc2054|2054]]</span> Speaking about the [[Sympathizers|sympathizers]], before you pass away from that, had they not a very large connection in the country, [[Kelly family|near relations]]?— Very large indeed, near blood relations and intimate friends.
<span id="rc2055">[[#rc2055|2055]]</span> You are aware that Kelly's grandmother, [[James Quinn|Quin]], lives in the Strathbogie ranges, close to Euroa?— Yes.
<span id="rc2056">[[#rc2056|2056]]</span> And that an aunt of theirs lives on the same range, at the saw-mills?— Yes.
<span id="rc2057">[[#rc2057|2057]]</span> And that from Mansfield all about they have first cousins, and uncles and aunts all round the country. Is not Miller their uncle by marriage; he was one of the sympathizers shut up?— Yes.
2058 I want to draw your attention to this fact, that the relations are all through that country; not one but hundreds?— I would fix them at a hundred.
2059 Near relations?— No, but as thick as relations; as loyal to them as relations.
2060 And a large number of relations?— A very large number.
<span id="rc2061">[[#rc2061|2061]]</span> Are not the Farrells on the [[Broken River|Broken River]] nearly related to them?— Yes, and the Quins and others.
<span id="rc2062">[[#rc2062|2062]]</span> Is it not an immense connection?— Yes, it is an immense connection, they are all over the country, and also in new South Wales . They are at [[Dookie|Dookie]], at [[Lake Rowan|Lake Rowan]] , and some relations near Mount Look-out ; there is a man who claims to be an uncle there. I had forgotten Mrs. Quin.
<span id="rc2063">[[#rc2063|2063]]</span> I wanted to draw your attention to that, because it was in the immediate neighborhood?— Yes; I think Mr. Nicolson had about eight or nine different men off and on working as agents for him, some for pay and some out of goodwill. Their wort extended as far as the Upper [[Mansfield|Murray]] right down to [[Benalla|Benalla]], Lake Rowan , [[Glenrowan|Glenrowan,]] [[King River|King River]] , and [[Beechworth|Beechworth]]; that is about all.
<span id="rc2064">[[#rc2064|2064]]</span> Did you think it was a wise step to arrest the sympathizers; did you approve of that action?— No, I was always against it from the first.
<span id="rc2065">[[#rc2065|2065]]</span> Did you remonstrate against it?— Yes, I spoke to Captain [[Standish|Standish]] and probably to Mr. [[Hare|Hare]] too; I thought it an unwise step. It would have been a very good step if it had been lawful, and if we could have kept them right enough, but it was both unlawful and we could not keep them; I knew that.
<span id="rc2066">[[#rc2066|2066]]</span> Did you think it would put the outlaws doubly on their guard?— I was more afraid it would breed bad blood with those men.
<span id="rc2067">[[#rc2067|2067]]</span> And you would have so many people against you; and you could not convict them?— Yes, I think it did cause the outlaws trouble, but that is a matter of conjecture; still I was against it from the very first. Those agents that I have referred to had great difficulty in getting information, but what they brought in seemed to be very sure. They satisfied us that the [[KellyGang|Kellys]] were still in the neighborhood within an area of say ten miles square.
<span id="rc2068">[[#rc2068|2068]]</span> Is that the neighborhood of Greta?— [[Greta|Greta]] would be about the centre of it. And that they were shy beyond measure, that they were trusting only a very few. I know that some of the agents were watching sympathizers' houses for weeks together, but we had no luck in finding anything about them.
<span id="rc2069">[[#rc2069|2069]]</span> Was your informant, then, a man who is mentioned as “Foot “ on this alias list?— It was.
2070 Had you confidence in that man previously?— Well, I knew he was a very slippery man......
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== The Royal Commission evidence for 12/4/1881 ==
''''''
=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 12/4/1881|day 11]])
'''Superintendent [[Sadleir|Sadleir]] giving evidence'''
<span id="rc2053">[[#rc2053|2053]]</span> Did you gather the reverse from the men—did any sergeants or competent officer of the force ever indicate that it would be desirable to keep the Kellys hunted, to keep them on the move?— No. I think, as far as I understood the temper of the police, they were altogether of my way of thinking; that is what I understood of the men. I was going on to say that, on the 11th July, information was received that the [[KellyGang|Kellys]] were seen—two of them—near [[Sebastopol|Sebastopol]] . I know that Mr. Nicolson consulted with Detective [[Ward|Ward]] and Senior-Constable [[SConst P Mullane|Mullane]] on the subject; and I believe it was not thought prudent to act upon it, but to guard the banks which were being threatened particularly by the outlaws —the banks at Beechworth. On the same date it was reported positively that [[Dan Kelly|Dan Kelly]] was seen near [[Doon|Doon]] , that is [[Mansfield|Mansfield]] , nearly 80 miles away from Beechworth; and it was not until the 13th that the police were able to find out that this was without foundation. During the whole of this time reports of various kinds were coming in. They were very puzzling, and gave a great deal of trouble, and nearly all of them were entirely without any foundation whatever; and I think it was in consequence of this unsatisfactory state of things that Mr. [[Nicolson|Nicolson]] kept almost exclusively to working by private [[agents|agents]]. We both of us did what we could to get hold of suitable men, who knew the Kellys, and who knew the country, and were good bushmen, and who could go in and out among the sympathizers without being suspected. Of course this was a very difficult matter to get such men.
<span id="rc2054">[[#rc2054|2054]]</span> Speaking about the [[Sympathizers|sympathizers]], before you pass away from that, had they not a very large connection in the country, [[Kelly family|near relations]]?— Very large indeed, near blood relations and intimate friends.
<span id="rc2055">[[#rc2055|2055]]</span> You are aware that Kelly's grandmother, [[James Quinn|Quin]], lives in the Strathbogie ranges, close to Euroa?— Yes.
<span id="rc2056">[[#rc2056|2056]]</span> And that an aunt of theirs lives on the same range, at the saw-mills?— Yes.
<span id="rc2057">[[#rc2057|2057]]</span> And that from Mansfield all about they have first cousins, and uncles and aunts all round the country. Is not Miller their uncle by marriage; he was one of the sympathizers shut up?— Yes.
2058 I want to draw your attention to this fact, that the relations are all through that country; not one but hundreds?— I would fix them at a hundred.
2059 Near relations?— No, but as thick as relations; as loyal to them as relations.
2060 And a large number of relations?— A very large number.
<span id="rc2061">[[#rc2061|2061]]</span> Are not the Farrells on the [[Broken River|Broken River]] nearly related to them?— Yes, and the Quins and others.
<span id="rc2062">[[#rc2062|2062]]</span> Is it not an immense connection?— Yes, it is an immense connection, they are all over the country, and also in new South Wales . They are at [[Dookie|Dookie]], at [[Lake Rowan|Lake Rowan]] , and some relations near Mount Look-out ; there is a man who claims to be an uncle there. I had forgotten Mrs. Quin.
<span id="rc2063">[[#rc2063|2063]]</span> I wanted to draw your attention to that, because it was in the immediate neighborhood?— Yes; I think Mr. Nicolson had about eight or nine different men off and on working as agents for him, some for pay and some out of goodwill. Their wort extended as far as the Upper [[Mansfield|Murray]] right down to [[Benalla|Benalla]], Lake Rowan , [[Glenrowan|Glenrowan,]] [[King River|King River]] , and [[Beechworth|Beechworth]]; that is about all.
<span id="rc2064">[[#rc2064|2064]]</span> Did you think it was a wise step to arrest the sympathizers; did you approve of that action?— No, I was always against it from the first.
<span id="rc2065">[[#rc2065|2065]]</span> Did you remonstrate against it?— Yes, I spoke to Captain [[Standish|Standish]] and probably to Mr. [[Hare|Hare]] too; I thought it an unwise step. It would have been a very good step if it had been lawful, and if we could have kept them right enough, but it was both unlawful and we could not keep them; I knew that.
<span id="rc2066">[[#rc2066|2066]]</span> Did you think it would put the outlaws doubly on their guard?— I was more afraid it would breed bad blood with those men.
<span id="rc2067">[[#rc2067|2067]]</span> And you would have so many people against you; and you could not convict them?— Yes, I think it did cause the outlaws trouble, but that is a matter of conjecture; still I was against it from the very first. Those agents that I have referred to had great difficulty in getting information, but what they brought in seemed to be very sure. They satisfied us that the [[KellyGang|Kellys]] were still in the neighborhood within an area of say ten miles square.
<span id="rc2068">[[#rc2068|2068]]</span> Is that the neighborhood of Greta?— [[Greta|Greta]] would be about the centre of it. And that they were shy beyond measure, that they were trusting only a very few. I know that some of the agents were watching sympathizers' houses for weeks together, but we had no luck in finding anything about them.
<span id="rc2069">[[#rc2069|2069]]</span> Was your informant, then, a man who is mentioned as “Foot “ on this alias list?— It was.
2070 Had you confidence in that man previously?— Well, I knew he was a very slippery man......
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