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== The Royal Commission evidence for 5/5/1881 ==
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(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 5/5/1881|day 16]])
'''[[Jacob Wilson|Jacob Wilson]] '''giving evidence''''''
<span id="rc4480">[[#rc4480|4480]]</span> What was that?— I saw six horses tied up to [[Tom Lloyd Jnr|Tom Lloyd]]'s garden, and I thought there were more horses, and I went to a cow-shed about a hundred yards from his dwelling place, and a dog came out and detected me.
<span id="rc4481">[[#rc4481|4481]]</span> Did they always keep dogs about the place?— Yes, and when the dog commenced to bark furiously, and a lot of them came out of the house. I could see that by the candle, and I ran away then.
<span id="rc4482">[[#rc4482|4482]]</span> Were they men or women you saw then?— I do not know. I had not time to see.
<span id="rc4483">[[#rc4483|4483]]</span> Was this night-time?— Yes, dark. I ran into the next paddock, and they came after me and “sooled” the dog.
<span id="rc4484">[[#rc4484|4484]]</span> Hunted you with the dog?— Yes, “sooled” the dog after me, and I crept up into a low cherry-tree and they went past me.
<span id="rc4485">[[#rc4485|4485]]</span> Who?— The lot of them. [[Dan Kelly|Dan Kelly]] and young Tom Lloyd. They were within ten yards of me on the other side of the fence, and “sooled” the dog, and called out as if to the police that they would burn the b—. They thought I was the police, I expect, and was watching the place.
<span id="rc4486">[[#rc4486|4486]]</span> Whoever it was, that was what they meant?— They did not say.
<span id="rc4487">[[#rc4487|4487]]</span> Are you satisfied it was Dan Kelly?— I am satisfied it was, because I knew him by his voice.
<span id="rc4488">[[#rc4488|4488]]</span> You knew them for years?— I lived there five years, and knew them since I came there till they took the bush.
<span id="rc4489">[[#rc4489|4489]]</span> How long was this after you gave the information about the hobbles?— It was a week after I found the hobbles before I gave the information. I went to [[Melbourne|Melbourne]] and did not want to have anything to do with the police, because every move was in the paper next morning.
<span id="rc4490">[[#rc4490|4490]]</span> Have you any doubt in your own mind that they were the outlaws' hobbles?— No.
<span id="rc4491">[[#rc4491|4491]]</span> Did you give that information?— Yes. I did not give the information at once, because I would not have anything to do with it. I was frightened they would come down and murder me and burn my place
<span id="rc4492">[[#rc4492|4492]]</span> Were you frightened of the [[Sympathizers|Kellys' friends]]?— Yes, I lived in a lonely place, and they could come and murder me there.
<span id="rc4493">[[#rc4493|4493]]</span> You would not give the information because it would get into the papers the next day, and they would know it?— Yes. On account of my information Superintendent [[Nicolson|Nicolson]] sent for me when I was in Melbourne, and when I came back from Melbourne they asked for me to call at the police station at [[Benalla Police Station|Benalla]], and I called there and saw Superintendent [[Sadleir|Sadleir]]. I had a long conversation with him about the matter—about the outlaws—and told him about the hobbles.
<span id="rc4494">[[#rc4494|4494]]</span> Was that after the cherry-tree affair?— No, after I was in the cherry-tree; it was the 14 th May I was there, on Wednesday night, and I was there all night.
<span id="rc4495">[[#rc4495|4495]]</span> What information did you give Mr. Sadleir?— About the hobbles, and I was quite sure the outlaws were there off and on; I was quite sure the outlaws were there off and on at that time.
<span id="rc4496">[[#rc4496|4496]]</span> After that did you see any policemen looking at the place where the Kellys had been?— No.
<span id="rc4497">[[#rc4497|4497]]</span> Did you go home after giving the information to Mr. Sadleir?— Yes.
<span id="rc4498">[[#rc4498|4498]]</span> And then you watched the Kellys after that?— Yes.
<span id="rc4499">[[#rc4499|4499]]</span> And saw them at Tom Lloyd's house?— Yes, that was from the 3rd of April until the 14th of May. I did not see anything of anybody about Tom Lloyd's place. I went every night to see if I could see them hanging up their horses.
<span id="rc4500">[[#rc4500|4500]]</span> Did Mr. Sadleir ask you to do that?— Yes, he told me that I should keep a look-out.
<span id="rc4501">[[#rc4501|4501]]</span> Did you ask him to pay you for that?— No.
<span id="rc4502">[[#rc4502|4502]]</span> Did you tell him you would do it if he would appoint your son a constable?— Yes.
<span id="rc4503">[[#rc4503|4503]]</span> Was that the reason?— I applied for my son to join the force in 1879, but Mr. Sadleir said he was too young.
<span id="rc4504">[[#rc4504|4504]]</span> Did you say you would keep a sharp look-out if your son got into the police force?— The superintendent told me if I did anything for them my son would get the place.
<span id="rc4505">[[#rc4505|4505]]</span> Is your son alive now?— Yes.
<span id="rc4506">[[#rc4506|4506]]</span> Is he fit to join the police?— No, he has ruptured himself, and is not fit.
<span id="rc4507">[[#rc4507|4507]]</span> What age is he?— Twenty-one years.
<span id="rc4508">[[#rc4508|4508]]</span> Did you work any further for the police in connection with this matter?— Yes.
<span id="rc4509">[[#rc4509|4509]]</span> Do you think the Lloyds or Kellys knew anything of your working for the police?— They suspected me ever since Mr. Hare had his horses in my paddock.
<span id="rc4510">[[#rc4510|4510]]</span> Did you tell Mr. Sadleir their camp was there in the ferns?— Yes.
<span id="rc4511">[[#rc4511|4511]]</span> Did he send any one out to examine that?— He did not that I know of.
<span id="rc4512">[[#rc4512|4512]]</span> Did you know that any party was sent out to watch this place?— They might have sent out for all I know.
<span id="rc4513">[[#rc4513|4513]]</span> What kind of place was this camp in the ferns?— A whole big bush of ferns in the side of the creek, and there were logs and very high ferns.
<span id="rc4514">[[#rc4514|4514]]</span> Did it look as if it had been used?— It was quite easy to see some one had been lying there.
<span id="rc4515">[[#rc4515|4515]]</span> In June you saw Mr. Hare?— Yes.....
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== The Royal Commission evidence for 5/5/1881 ==
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 5/5/1881|day 16]])
'''[[Jacob Wilson|Jacob Wilson]] '''giving evidence''''''
<span id="rc4480">[[#rc4480|4480]]</span> What was that?— I saw six horses tied up to [[Tom Lloyd Jnr|Tom Lloyd]]'s garden, and I thought there were more horses, and I went to a cow-shed about a hundred yards from his dwelling place, and a dog came out and detected me.
<span id="rc4481">[[#rc4481|4481]]</span> Did they always keep dogs about the place?— Yes, and when the dog commenced to bark furiously, and a lot of them came out of the house. I could see that by the candle, and I ran away then.
<span id="rc4482">[[#rc4482|4482]]</span> Were they men or women you saw then?— I do not know. I had not time to see.
<span id="rc4483">[[#rc4483|4483]]</span> Was this night-time?— Yes, dark. I ran into the next paddock, and they came after me and “sooled” the dog.
<span id="rc4484">[[#rc4484|4484]]</span> Hunted you with the dog?— Yes, “sooled” the dog after me, and I crept up into a low cherry-tree and they went past me.
<span id="rc4485">[[#rc4485|4485]]</span> Who?— The lot of them. [[Dan Kelly|Dan Kelly]] and young Tom Lloyd. They were within ten yards of me on the other side of the fence, and “sooled” the dog, and called out as if to the police that they would burn the b—. They thought I was the police, I expect, and was watching the place.
<span id="rc4486">[[#rc4486|4486]]</span> Whoever it was, that was what they meant?— They did not say.
<span id="rc4487">[[#rc4487|4487]]</span> Are you satisfied it was Dan Kelly?— I am satisfied it was, because I knew him by his voice.
<span id="rc4488">[[#rc4488|4488]]</span> You knew them for years?— I lived there five years, and knew them since I came there till they took the bush.
<span id="rc4489">[[#rc4489|4489]]</span> How long was this after you gave the information about the hobbles?— It was a week after I found the hobbles before I gave the information. I went to [[Melbourne|Melbourne]] and did not want to have anything to do with the police, because every move was in the paper next morning.
<span id="rc4490">[[#rc4490|4490]]</span> Have you any doubt in your own mind that they were the outlaws' hobbles?— No.
<span id="rc4491">[[#rc4491|4491]]</span> Did you give that information?— Yes. I did not give the information at once, because I would not have anything to do with it. I was frightened they would come down and murder me and burn my place
<span id="rc4492">[[#rc4492|4492]]</span> Were you frightened of the [[Sympathizers|Kellys' friends]]?— Yes, I lived in a lonely place, and they could come and murder me there.
<span id="rc4493">[[#rc4493|4493]]</span> You would not give the information because it would get into the papers the next day, and they would know it?— Yes. On account of my information Superintendent [[Nicolson|Nicolson]] sent for me when I was in Melbourne, and when I came back from Melbourne they asked for me to call at the police station at [[Benalla Police Station|Benalla]], and I called there and saw Superintendent [[Sadleir|Sadleir]]. I had a long conversation with him about the matter—about the outlaws—and told him about the hobbles.
<span id="rc4494">[[#rc4494|4494]]</span> Was that after the cherry-tree affair?— No, after I was in the cherry-tree; it was the 14 th May I was there, on Wednesday night, and I was there all night.
<span id="rc4495">[[#rc4495|4495]]</span> What information did you give Mr. Sadleir?— About the hobbles, and I was quite sure the outlaws were there off and on; I was quite sure the outlaws were there off and on at that time.
<span id="rc4496">[[#rc4496|4496]]</span> After that did you see any policemen looking at the place where the Kellys had been?— No.
<span id="rc4497">[[#rc4497|4497]]</span> Did you go home after giving the information to Mr. Sadleir?— Yes.
<span id="rc4498">[[#rc4498|4498]]</span> And then you watched the Kellys after that?— Yes.
<span id="rc4499">[[#rc4499|4499]]</span> And saw them at Tom Lloyd's house?— Yes, that was from the 3rd of April until the 14th of May. I did not see anything of anybody about Tom Lloyd's place. I went every night to see if I could see them hanging up their horses.
<span id="rc4500">[[#rc4500|4500]]</span> Did Mr. Sadleir ask you to do that?— Yes, he told me that I should keep a look-out.
<span id="rc4501">[[#rc4501|4501]]</span> Did you ask him to pay you for that?— No.
<span id="rc4502">[[#rc4502|4502]]</span> Did you tell him you would do it if he would appoint your son a constable?— Yes.
<span id="rc4503">[[#rc4503|4503]]</span> Was that the reason?— I applied for my son to join the force in 1879, but Mr. Sadleir said he was too young.
<span id="rc4504">[[#rc4504|4504]]</span> Did you say you would keep a sharp look-out if your son got into the police force?— The superintendent told me if I did anything for them my son would get the place.
<span id="rc4505">[[#rc4505|4505]]</span> Is your son alive now?— Yes.
<span id="rc4506">[[#rc4506|4506]]</span> Is he fit to join the police?— No, he has ruptured himself, and is not fit.
<span id="rc4507">[[#rc4507|4507]]</span> What age is he?— Twenty-one years.
<span id="rc4508">[[#rc4508|4508]]</span> Did you work any further for the police in connection with this matter?— Yes.
<span id="rc4509">[[#rc4509|4509]]</span> Do you think the Lloyds or Kellys knew anything of your working for the police?— They suspected me ever since Mr. Hare had his horses in my paddock.
<span id="rc4510">[[#rc4510|4510]]</span> Did you tell Mr. Sadleir their camp was there in the ferns?— Yes.
<span id="rc4511">[[#rc4511|4511]]</span> Did he send any one out to examine that?— He did not that I know of.
<span id="rc4512">[[#rc4512|4512]]</span> Did you know that any party was sent out to watch this place?— They might have sent out for all I know.
<span id="rc4513">[[#rc4513|4513]]</span> What kind of place was this camp in the ferns?— A whole big bush of ferns in the side of the creek, and there were logs and very high ferns.
<span id="rc4514">[[#rc4514|4514]]</span> Did it look as if it had been used?— It was quite easy to see some one had been lying there.
<span id="rc4515">[[#rc4515|4515]]</span> In June you saw Mr. Hare?— Yes.....
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