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== The Royal Commission evidence for 10/5/1881 ==
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(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 10/5/1881|day 17]])
'''Const [[Const T Dowling|Dowling]] giving evidence'''
<span id="rc4690">[[#rc4690|4690]]</span> Was he to show the way always?— Yes
<span id="rc4691">[[#rc4691|4691]]</span> Was he supposed to be in the pay of the police at that time?— I did not know.
<span id="rc4692">[[#rc4692|4692]]</span> You only got instructions he would show the way when you had to go there?— Yes.
<span id="rc4693">[[#rc4693|4693]]</span> Was he always about the premises?— Yes.
<span id="rc4694">[[#rc4694|4694]]</span> Had he arms in the house?— No, he was not armed. He had no arms at all, unless he used the ones we were supplied with.
<span id="rc4695">[[#rc4695|4695]]</span> Did he do so?— No.
<span id="rc4696">[[#rc4696|4696]]</span> When you returned from [[Mrs Ellen Barry|Byrne's house]] in the morning, what did you generally do?— We; went to bed.
<span id="rc4697">[[#rc4697|4697]]</span> Which bed?— On the floor of the hut.
<span id="rc4698">[[#rc4698|4698]]</span> Not to [[Police at Sherritt home|Sherritt's bed]]?— No, in the kitchen we went.
<span id="rc4699">[[#rc4699|4699]]</span> Was the door kept locked when you were in bed?— No, there were no locks on the door.
<span id="rc4700">[[#rc4700|4700]]</span> Was it secured?— There was a stick on the inside.
<span id="rc4701">[[#rc4701|4701]]</span> Was it shut in such a way as to prevent strangers coming in and seeing you?— No, anyone could come in and see we were there. They were in the habit of coming in there, but we were always on the alert and managed to get into the other room.
<span id="rc4702">[[#rc4702|4702]]</span> Do you remember anyone coming into the room and seeing you?— No, not to see us.
<span id="rc4703">[[#rc4703|4703]]</span> You never had any conversation with anyone who visited the house?— No, we had to remain in the bedroom for two hours sometimes.
<span id="rc4704">[[#rc4704|4704]]</span> Did I understand you to say you were not aware of [[Aaron Sherritt|Sherritt's]] not being employed by the Government?— I was aware he was employed by the Government.
<span id="rc4705">[[#rc4705|4705]]</span> But I understood you to say he was not fully employed by the party of which you formed a part?— No, I was not aware that he was.
<span id="rc4706">[[#rc4706|4706]]</span> Was he engaged in any other sort of occupation whatever?— I believe he was engaged by the officers, I am not sure.
<span id="rc4707">[[#rc4707|4707]]</span> I mean during the time you were resident in this house by day and down by the hut at night, were you not conscious that he formed one of the party, with the same object and purpose that you were employed for?— Yes, I was.
<span id="rc4708">[[#rc4708|4708]]</span> You say you went into the bedroom frequently when strangers came into the kitchen?— Yes.
<span id="rc4709">[[#rc4709|4709]]</span> Could you overhear the conversation?— We could.
<span id="rc4710">[[#rc4710|4710]]</span> From that overhearing, were you led to believe that any of those persons who came to the house were sympathizers?— No.
<span id="rc4711">[[#rc4711|4711]]</span> There was no conversation of importance with reference to the Kellys and their sympatbizers? — No.
<span id="rc4712">[[#rc4712|4712]]</span> Was there anything to believe that the public knew you were in that house?— No; nothing passed by any of the visitors that came to the hut.
<span id="rc4713">[[#rc4713|4713]]</span> Did they speak in a whisper as if some one was in?— They spoke in a very low tone of voice.
<span id="rc4714">[[#rc4714|4714]]</span> Do you think that was to prevent anyone in the adjoining room hearing?— No; I do not know.
<span id="rc4715">[[#rc4715|4715]]</span> Were the Byrnes there?— [[Patrick Byrne|Paddy Byrne]] stood on the road the Sunday previous to Sherritt being shot.
<span id="rc4716">[[#rc4716|4716]]</span> We have it in evidence that the old lady, [[Mrs Margaret Byrne|Mrs. Byrne]], used to go about—was Paddy Byrne the only one that seemed to be about there?— He was the only one I knew of.
<span id="rc4717">[[#rc4717|4717]]</span> Did it occur to you that he was searching for the police?— I believe he was.
<span id="rc4718">[[#rc4718|4718]]</span> Were the Sherritt and Byrne families on good terms?— Not that I was aware of; I never saw them holding any conversation.
<span id="rc4719">[[#rc4719|4719]]</span> Where was Sherritt?— In the kitchen.
<span id="rc4720">[[#rc4720|4720]]</span> Did he say “There is Paddy watching the place”?— Yes.
<span id="rc4721">[[#rc4721|4721]]</span> And did he say “keep quiet” or anything?— He told us to keep quiet—that Paddy Byrne was standing on the road on a grey horse watching what was going on. Two or three days afterwards he came round to the back of the hut, and took stock of the back of the hut.
<span id="rc4722">[[#rc4722|4722]]</span> It was quite possible for [[Joe Byrne|Joe Byrne]] and Dan Kelly to be in Byrne's house and you not know it?— It was.
<span id="rc4723">[[#rc4723|4723]]</span> This was two or three days before the murder when he came to the back of the hut?— Two or three days prior to the murder, and about a night or two afterwards we saw him going away on this grey horse, about two o'clock in the morning.
<span id="rc4724">[[#rc4724|4724]]</span> He was watching the house?— I believe he was going to give information that we were there and about the hut.
<span id="rc4725">[[#rc4725|4725]]</span> How old is Paddy Byrne?— About 20, I should think.
<span id="rc4726">[[#rc4726|4726]]</span> Do you think the object of those two visits was from the impression that he had that you were present there—do you think he had any information that you were in that building?— That I could not say.
<span id="rc4727">[[#rc4727|4727]]</span> What was the impression on you and the men you were working with at the time as to that?— I believe he was to give them a description of the hut.
<span id="rc4728">[[#rc4728|4728]]</span> Were they not of their own knowledge familiar with every spot surrounding the hut so that they did not require information from him?— I could not say.
<span id="rc4729">[[#rc4729|4729]]</span> Was it a new hut?— I could not say it was new; I cannot say how old it was.
<span id="rc4730">[[#rc4730|4730]]</span> How long had Sherritt been married?— About seven months, I should think. ....
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 10/5/1881|day 17]])
'''Const [[Const T Dowling|Dowling]] giving evidence'''
<span id="rc4690">[[#rc4690|4690]]</span> Was he to show the way always?— Yes
<span id="rc4691">[[#rc4691|4691]]</span> Was he supposed to be in the pay of the police at that time?— I did not know.
<span id="rc4692">[[#rc4692|4692]]</span> You only got instructions he would show the way when you had to go there?— Yes.
<span id="rc4693">[[#rc4693|4693]]</span> Was he always about the premises?— Yes.
<span id="rc4694">[[#rc4694|4694]]</span> Had he arms in the house?— No, he was not armed. He had no arms at all, unless he used the ones we were supplied with.
<span id="rc4695">[[#rc4695|4695]]</span> Did he do so?— No.
<span id="rc4696">[[#rc4696|4696]]</span> When you returned from [[Mrs Ellen Barry|Byrne's house]] in the morning, what did you generally do?— We; went to bed.
<span id="rc4697">[[#rc4697|4697]]</span> Which bed?— On the floor of the hut.
<span id="rc4698">[[#rc4698|4698]]</span> Not to [[Police at Sherritt home|Sherritt's bed]]?— No, in the kitchen we went.
<span id="rc4699">[[#rc4699|4699]]</span> Was the door kept locked when you were in bed?— No, there were no locks on the door.
<span id="rc4700">[[#rc4700|4700]]</span> Was it secured?— There was a stick on the inside.
<span id="rc4701">[[#rc4701|4701]]</span> Was it shut in such a way as to prevent strangers coming in and seeing you?— No, anyone could come in and see we were there. They were in the habit of coming in there, but we were always on the alert and managed to get into the other room.
<span id="rc4702">[[#rc4702|4702]]</span> Do you remember anyone coming into the room and seeing you?— No, not to see us.
<span id="rc4703">[[#rc4703|4703]]</span> You never had any conversation with anyone who visited the house?— No, we had to remain in the bedroom for two hours sometimes.
<span id="rc4704">[[#rc4704|4704]]</span> Did I understand you to say you were not aware of [[Aaron Sherritt|Sherritt's]] not being employed by the Government?— I was aware he was employed by the Government.
<span id="rc4705">[[#rc4705|4705]]</span> But I understood you to say he was not fully employed by the party of which you formed a part?— No, I was not aware that he was.
<span id="rc4706">[[#rc4706|4706]]</span> Was he engaged in any other sort of occupation whatever?— I believe he was engaged by the officers, I am not sure.
<span id="rc4707">[[#rc4707|4707]]</span> I mean during the time you were resident in this house by day and down by the hut at night, were you not conscious that he formed one of the party, with the same object and purpose that you were employed for?— Yes, I was.
<span id="rc4708">[[#rc4708|4708]]</span> You say you went into the bedroom frequently when strangers came into the kitchen?— Yes.
<span id="rc4709">[[#rc4709|4709]]</span> Could you overhear the conversation?— We could.
<span id="rc4710">[[#rc4710|4710]]</span> From that overhearing, were you led to believe that any of those persons who came to the house were sympathizers?— No.
<span id="rc4711">[[#rc4711|4711]]</span> There was no conversation of importance with reference to the Kellys and their sympatbizers? — No.
<span id="rc4712">[[#rc4712|4712]]</span> Was there anything to believe that the public knew you were in that house?— No; nothing passed by any of the visitors that came to the hut.
<span id="rc4713">[[#rc4713|4713]]</span> Did they speak in a whisper as if some one was in?— They spoke in a very low tone of voice.
<span id="rc4714">[[#rc4714|4714]]</span> Do you think that was to prevent anyone in the adjoining room hearing?— No; I do not know.
<span id="rc4715">[[#rc4715|4715]]</span> Were the Byrnes there?— [[Patrick Byrne|Paddy Byrne]] stood on the road the Sunday previous to Sherritt being shot.
<span id="rc4716">[[#rc4716|4716]]</span> We have it in evidence that the old lady, [[Mrs Margaret Byrne|Mrs. Byrne]], used to go about—was Paddy Byrne the only one that seemed to be about there?— He was the only one I knew of.
<span id="rc4717">[[#rc4717|4717]]</span> Did it occur to you that he was searching for the police?— I believe he was.
<span id="rc4718">[[#rc4718|4718]]</span> Were the Sherritt and Byrne families on good terms?— Not that I was aware of; I never saw them holding any conversation.
<span id="rc4719">[[#rc4719|4719]]</span> Where was Sherritt?— In the kitchen.
<span id="rc4720">[[#rc4720|4720]]</span> Did he say “There is Paddy watching the place”?— Yes.
<span id="rc4721">[[#rc4721|4721]]</span> And did he say “keep quiet” or anything?— He told us to keep quiet—that Paddy Byrne was standing on the road on a grey horse watching what was going on. Two or three days afterwards he came round to the back of the hut, and took stock of the back of the hut.
<span id="rc4722">[[#rc4722|4722]]</span> It was quite possible for [[Joe Byrne|Joe Byrne]] and Dan Kelly to be in Byrne's house and you not know it?— It was.
<span id="rc4723">[[#rc4723|4723]]</span> This was two or three days before the murder when he came to the back of the hut?— Two or three days prior to the murder, and about a night or two afterwards we saw him going away on this grey horse, about two o'clock in the morning.
<span id="rc4724">[[#rc4724|4724]]</span> He was watching the house?— I believe he was going to give information that we were there and about the hut.
<span id="rc4725">[[#rc4725|4725]]</span> How old is Paddy Byrne?— About 20, I should think.
<span id="rc4726">[[#rc4726|4726]]</span> Do you think the object of those two visits was from the impression that he had that you were present there—do you think he had any information that you were in that building?— That I could not say.
<span id="rc4727">[[#rc4727|4727]]</span> What was the impression on you and the men you were working with at the time as to that?— I believe he was to give them a description of the hut.
<span id="rc4728">[[#rc4728|4728]]</span> Were they not of their own knowledge familiar with every spot surrounding the hut so that they did not require information from him?— I could not say.
<span id="rc4729">[[#rc4729|4729]]</span> Was it a new hut?— I could not say it was new; I cannot say how old it was.
<span id="rc4730">[[#rc4730|4730]]</span> How long had Sherritt been married?— About seven months, I should think. ....
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