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== The Royal Commission evidence for 10/5/1881 ==
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(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 10/5/1881|day 17]])
'''Constable [[Const T Dowling|Dowling]] giving evidence'''
<span id="rc4860">[[#rc4860|4860]]</span> Did you see what he did?— No, I did not take much notice.
<span id="rc4861">[[#rc4861|4861]]</span> Did you see him afterwards during the day?— I saw him several times going up and down to the railway station.
<span id="rc4862">[[#rc4862|4862]]</span> From the west?— Yes.
<span id="rc4863">[[#rc4863|4863]]</span> In going from Beechworth, taking up your position, did you go beyond the yard, or keep the yard still between you?— Yes.
<span id="rc4864">[[#rc4864|4864]]</span> In giving your evidence to-day, in what way have you considered the building to face?— The verandah part would face the east.
<span id="rc4865">[[#rc4865|4865]]</span> You have recognized that direction in all the questions you have answered?— Yes.
<span id="rc4866">[[#rc4866|4866]]</span> Mr. [[O'Connor|O'Connor]] came from the platform round at the north end of the building, travelling round, and the black trackers were stationed at one point, or were they divided?— They were divided, and were all behind trees.
<span id="rc4867">[[#rc4867|4867]]</span> In which direction were they stationed—one separately or two together?— I think there were two of them together in some places.
<span id="rc4868">[[#rc4868|4868]]</span> Altogether they would be in three or four different places?— They would be in three different places to the west—that would be on the opposite end to the railway station.
<span id="rc4869">[[#rc4869|4869]]</span> Mr. O'Connor was several times walking about during the day attending to his duties, having the black trackers under his charge, was that so?— I never saw him speaking to any of them; I do not know his motive in walking about.
<span id="rc4870">[[#rc4870|4870]]</span> Did he give you any orders?— He did not.
<span id="rc4871">[[#rc4871|4871]]</span> Did you see Mr. O’Connor from the time the prisoners were released at the hotel?— Yes, I think I did, once or twice.
<span id="rc4872">[[#rc4872|4872]]</span> Where was he at the time the people came out and held their hands up and walked towards Mr. [[Sadleir|Sadleir]]; did you see him at that time?— No, I would not be sure I did see him.
<span id="rc4873">[[#rc4873|4873]]</span> You saw him several times during the day?— Yes.
<span id="rc4874">[[#rc4874|4874]]</span> Were you there when the house was set fire to?— I was.
<span id="rc4875">[[#rc4875|4875]]</span> Did you hear any shots being fired from the building when the house was set fire to for some time?— No, I did not.
<span id="rc4876">[[#rc4876|4876]]</span> Did you see the [[Matthew Gibney|priest]] going into the house? — I think the first police to go in were Constable [[Const Armstrong|Armstrong]] and Constable [[Const T Dwyer|Dwyer]].
<span id="rc4877">[[#rc4877|4877]]</span> I said the priest, not the police?— Yes, I did see him go in.
<span id="rc4878">[[#rc4878|4878]]</span> Did he remain in long?— No, I should think he just walked through.
<span id="rc4879">[[#rc4879|4879]]</span> Did he come rushing out again?— He just held out his hands and said they were all dead inside.
<span id="rc4880">[[#rc4880|4880]]</span> Did any constables go to to the building before he did that?— I do not think so.
<span id="rc4881">[[#rc4881|4881]]</span> Did any of them move from their positions before that to rush the building?— Not that I am aware of.
<span id="rc4882">[[#rc4882|4882]]</span> They rushed the building immediately after that?— Yes, I think so.
<span id="rc4883">[[#rc4883|4883]]</span> How far were the police generally from the building when the priest went in?— I believe I and [[Kirkham|Kirkham]] were the nearest to it.
<span id="rc4884">[[#rc4884|4884]]</span> About how far, according to your estimate?— About twenty yards, I should think.
<span id="rc4885">[[#rc4885|4885]]</span> And no policeman passed you to try to get in until after the priest held up his hands?— No.
<span id="rc4886">[[#rc4886|4886]]</span> Was it immediately after the house was set on fire the priest walked up to the building?— Yes, immediately after.
<span id="rc4887">[[#rc4887|4887]]</span> Did he ask to be allowed to go in before it was set on fire?— I could not say that.
<span id="rc4888">[[#rc4888|4888]]</span> Did you hear about any volunteer wishing to go in and rush the building before it was set on fire?— No.
<span id="rc4889">[[#rc4889|4889]]</span> Neither police nor civilian?— No.
<span id="rc4890">[[#rc4890|4890]]</span> Did you go down to the railway station to get lunch after you got there?— I went for the purpose of getting ammunition. I went to Mr. Sadleir and asked him.
<span id="rc4891">[[#rc4891|4891]]</span> How many rounds do you suppose you fired at the house?— I might have fired about a hundred, perhaps.
<span id="rc4892">[[#rc4892|4892]]</span> So many as that?— I think so.
<span id="rc4893">[[#rc4893|4893]]</span> How many charges had you served out to you at various times—is it not customary to serve out a certain number of charges?— Not on that particular day; I do not think so.
<span id="rc4894">[[#rc4894|4894]]</span> What was your arm?— A Spencer rifle and a revolver.
<span id="rc4895">[[#rc4895|4895]]</span> Were you allowed to help yourself to cartridges or were they given out by any recognized officer?— No, they were not particular; you can go and help yourself. Mr. Sadleir told me to get them from someone; I do not recollect where it was.
<span id="rc4896">[[#rc4896|4896]]</span> Can you recollect?— I got them from some place at the railway station, I cannot remember where now.
<span id="rc4897">[[#rc4897|4897]]</span> Did you help yourself from the store without taking note of the quantity?— I did; I cannot say how many I took.
<span id="rc4898">[[#rc4898|4898]]</span> You just took up a number?— Yes.
<span id="rc4899">[[#rc4899|4899]]</span> You think it is probable you fired a hundred shots?— Yes, I daresay. ....
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== The Royal Commission evidence for 10/5/1881 ==
''''''
=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 10/5/1881|day 17]])
'''Constable [[Const T Dowling|Dowling]] giving evidence'''
<span id="rc4860">[[#rc4860|4860]]</span> Did you see what he did?— No, I did not take much notice.
<span id="rc4861">[[#rc4861|4861]]</span> Did you see him afterwards during the day?— I saw him several times going up and down to the railway station.
<span id="rc4862">[[#rc4862|4862]]</span> From the west?— Yes.
<span id="rc4863">[[#rc4863|4863]]</span> In going from Beechworth, taking up your position, did you go beyond the yard, or keep the yard still between you?— Yes.
<span id="rc4864">[[#rc4864|4864]]</span> In giving your evidence to-day, in what way have you considered the building to face?— The verandah part would face the east.
<span id="rc4865">[[#rc4865|4865]]</span> You have recognized that direction in all the questions you have answered?— Yes.
<span id="rc4866">[[#rc4866|4866]]</span> Mr. [[O'Connor|O'Connor]] came from the platform round at the north end of the building, travelling round, and the black trackers were stationed at one point, or were they divided?— They were divided, and were all behind trees.
<span id="rc4867">[[#rc4867|4867]]</span> In which direction were they stationed—one separately or two together?— I think there were two of them together in some places.
<span id="rc4868">[[#rc4868|4868]]</span> Altogether they would be in three or four different places?— They would be in three different places to the west—that would be on the opposite end to the railway station.
<span id="rc4869">[[#rc4869|4869]]</span> Mr. O'Connor was several times walking about during the day attending to his duties, having the black trackers under his charge, was that so?— I never saw him speaking to any of them; I do not know his motive in walking about.
<span id="rc4870">[[#rc4870|4870]]</span> Did he give you any orders?— He did not.
<span id="rc4871">[[#rc4871|4871]]</span> Did you see Mr. O’Connor from the time the prisoners were released at the hotel?— Yes, I think I did, once or twice.
<span id="rc4872">[[#rc4872|4872]]</span> Where was he at the time the people came out and held their hands up and walked towards Mr. [[Sadleir|Sadleir]]; did you see him at that time?— No, I would not be sure I did see him.
<span id="rc4873">[[#rc4873|4873]]</span> You saw him several times during the day?— Yes.
<span id="rc4874">[[#rc4874|4874]]</span> Were you there when the house was set fire to?— I was.
<span id="rc4875">[[#rc4875|4875]]</span> Did you hear any shots being fired from the building when the house was set fire to for some time?— No, I did not.
<span id="rc4876">[[#rc4876|4876]]</span> Did you see the [[Matthew Gibney|priest]] going into the house? — I think the first police to go in were Constable [[Const Armstrong|Armstrong]] and Constable [[Const T Dwyer|Dwyer]].
<span id="rc4877">[[#rc4877|4877]]</span> I said the priest, not the police?— Yes, I did see him go in.
<span id="rc4878">[[#rc4878|4878]]</span> Did he remain in long?— No, I should think he just walked through.
<span id="rc4879">[[#rc4879|4879]]</span> Did he come rushing out again?— He just held out his hands and said they were all dead inside.
<span id="rc4880">[[#rc4880|4880]]</span> Did any constables go to to the building before he did that?— I do not think so.
<span id="rc4881">[[#rc4881|4881]]</span> Did any of them move from their positions before that to rush the building?— Not that I am aware of.
<span id="rc4882">[[#rc4882|4882]]</span> They rushed the building immediately after that?— Yes, I think so.
<span id="rc4883">[[#rc4883|4883]]</span> How far were the police generally from the building when the priest went in?— I believe I and [[Kirkham|Kirkham]] were the nearest to it.
<span id="rc4884">[[#rc4884|4884]]</span> About how far, according to your estimate?— About twenty yards, I should think.
<span id="rc4885">[[#rc4885|4885]]</span> And no policeman passed you to try to get in until after the priest held up his hands?— No.
<span id="rc4886">[[#rc4886|4886]]</span> Was it immediately after the house was set on fire the priest walked up to the building?— Yes, immediately after.
<span id="rc4887">[[#rc4887|4887]]</span> Did he ask to be allowed to go in before it was set on fire?— I could not say that.
<span id="rc4888">[[#rc4888|4888]]</span> Did you hear about any volunteer wishing to go in and rush the building before it was set on fire?— No.
<span id="rc4889">[[#rc4889|4889]]</span> Neither police nor civilian?— No.
<span id="rc4890">[[#rc4890|4890]]</span> Did you go down to the railway station to get lunch after you got there?— I went for the purpose of getting ammunition. I went to Mr. Sadleir and asked him.
<span id="rc4891">[[#rc4891|4891]]</span> How many rounds do you suppose you fired at the house?— I might have fired about a hundred, perhaps.
<span id="rc4892">[[#rc4892|4892]]</span> So many as that?— I think so.
<span id="rc4893">[[#rc4893|4893]]</span> How many charges had you served out to you at various times—is it not customary to serve out a certain number of charges?— Not on that particular day; I do not think so.
<span id="rc4894">[[#rc4894|4894]]</span> What was your arm?— A Spencer rifle and a revolver.
<span id="rc4895">[[#rc4895|4895]]</span> Were you allowed to help yourself to cartridges or were they given out by any recognized officer?— No, they were not particular; you can go and help yourself. Mr. Sadleir told me to get them from someone; I do not recollect where it was.
<span id="rc4896">[[#rc4896|4896]]</span> Can you recollect?— I got them from some place at the railway station, I cannot remember where now.
<span id="rc4897">[[#rc4897|4897]]</span> Did you help yourself from the store without taking note of the quantity?— I did; I cannot say how many I took.
<span id="rc4898">[[#rc4898|4898]]</span> You just took up a number?— Yes.
<span id="rc4899">[[#rc4899|4899]]</span> You think it is probable you fired a hundred shots?— Yes, I daresay. ....
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