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== The Royal Commission evidence for 11/5/1881 ==
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(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 11/5/1881|day 18]])
''''''Constable Alfred John [[Const Faulkiner|Faulkiner]]''' giving evidence'''
<span id="rc5882">[[#rc5882|5882]]</span> ''By Detective Ward. —''You remember the morning of the 2nd April, with reference to those reports?— Yes.
<span id="rc5883">[[#rc5883|5883]]</span> Where was I on that morning?— I believe you had just returned to Benalla, and were at Benalla that morning. I fancy you were somewhere in the train.
<span id="rc5884">[[#rc5884|5884]]</span> Could you tell what time I returned?— I suppose half-past two.
<span id="rc5885">[[#rc5885|5885]]</span> What time did you receive instructions with reference to those reports?— About eleven or twelve, I should say.
<span id="rc5886">[[#rc5886|5886]]</span> Whom from?— The instructions came from Senior-Constable [[SConst P Mullane|Mullane]] through Constable [[Const Daniel Barry|Barry]] to the men in barracks.
<span id="rc5887">[[#rc5887|5887]]</span> Then I was not there?— You were not there when those instructions were given.
<span id="rc5888">[[#rc5888|5888]]</span> ''By the Commission''. —Barry was the man who brought you the first instructions to report?— Yes.
<span id="rc5889">[[#rc5889|5889]]</span> From Mullane?— Yes.
<span id="rc5890">[[#rc5890|5890]]</span> About eleven o'clock ?— I think so.
<span id="rc5891">[[#rc5891|5891]]</span> ''By Detective [[Ward|Ward]]. —''Was I there when the second report was asked for?— No.
<span id="rc5892">[[#rc5892|5892]]</span> At half-past two, when I returned, was there some unpleasantness between the Senior-Constable Mullane and the men who had been in the cave party?— Yes, there was with reference to returning their reports.
<span id="rc5893">[[#rc5893|5893]]</span> ''By the Commission. —''With reference to those very reports?— Yes.
<span id="rc5894">[[#rc5894|5894]]</span> The asking of them?— Not the asking of them, through him wishing to return them back.
<span id="rc5895">[[#rc5895|5895]]</span> ''By Detective Ward. —''Did I say if I had been at home there would have been nothing like this occur?— Yes, you did.
<span id="rc5896">[[#rc5896|5896]]</span> ''By the Commission. —''Meaning home where?— At Beechworth.
<span id="rc5897">[[#rc5897|5897]]</span> That this unpleasantness would not have arisen?— Yes.
<span id="rc5898">[[#rc5898|5898]]</span> ''By Detective Ward. —''Did I say to you, “Those are not the sort of reports required; all I want is a report of the duty you were doing in the cave, of what you know yourselves personally, as I wish to recommend you to the officer in charge for the services you have rendered during your time in the cave. I will forward my remarks to the Assistant Chief Commissioner, who I make no doubt will put a favorable entry upon your report sheet”?— That is something of it but not in all.
<span id="rc5899">[[#rc5899|5899]]</span> Say it yourself?— You asked us how it was we came to put in such reports as those, that is Constable Barry and myself, and other constables. “Had I been here this would not have happened.” You had my reports then with you, you half drew them out and showed them to me; you said, “These reports would never suit Mr. Nicolson.” Those were the exact words, “I want a report from you so that Mr Nicolson could put a favorable entry on your record sheet.”
<span id="rc5900">[[#rc5900|5900]]</span> Of what you know yourself, did I say that?— Yes, of what I knew myself.
<span id="rc5901">[[#rc5901|5901]]</span> That would be about a quarter to three, at all events—you left by train at three that same day?— Yes.
<span id="rc5902">[[#rc5902|5902]]</span> Before your leaving, after my telling you this, what did you say?— You asked me then to forward that report with reference to how we had carried out the duty ourselves, the secrecy of it. I remarked to you I had not time to make out a report just then, and that I would forward you one from Benalla. I made the report No. 3, and forwarded it to you on, I believe, the 3rd of April.
<span id="rc5903">[[#rc5903|5903]]</span> Then when this conversation occurred, when I asked you what would I do with the other two reports, what did you say?— I said I would have nothing to do with them, to destroy them.
<span id="rc5904">[[#rc5904|5904]]</span> ''By the Commission. —''Did you mean that you would not withdraw them?— Yes.
<span id="rc5905">[[#rc5905|5905]]</span> And that you would not take them back?— Yes.
<span id="rc5906">[[#rc5906|5906]]</span> On your mind was the idea that you were to report, and that it should be said by the men that the party was not known?— Yes.
<span id="rc5907">[[#rc5907|5907]]</span> Was that the point in your own mind, and you absolutely refused to withdraw them?— Yes.
<span id="rc5908">[[#rc5908|5908]]</span> And that was solely your objection?— Yes, so that I could go before Mr. Nicolson and speak of it.
<span id="rc5909">[[#rc5909|5909]]</span> Did you tell Ward to destroy those Nos. l and 2 reports?— No.
<span id="rc5910">[[#rc5910|5910]]</span> Or say anything to leave that impression on his mind
<span id="rc5911">[[#rc5911|5911]]</span> ''By Detective Ward. —''Did you ask me to forward them?— I had given them to Mullane to forward them.
<span id="rc5912">[[#rc5912|5912]]</span> ''By the Commission. —''You meant that the whole three should go forward?— I did. I attached the one to the other, and said I would forward the third to Benalla....
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== The Royal Commission evidence for 11/5/1881 ==
''''''
=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 11/5/1881|day 18]])
''''''Constable Alfred John [[Const Faulkiner|Faulkiner]]''' giving evidence'''
<span id="rc5882">[[#rc5882|5882]]</span> ''By Detective Ward. —''You remember the morning of the 2nd April, with reference to those reports?— Yes.
<span id="rc5883">[[#rc5883|5883]]</span> Where was I on that morning?— I believe you had just returned to Benalla, and were at Benalla that morning. I fancy you were somewhere in the train.
<span id="rc5884">[[#rc5884|5884]]</span> Could you tell what time I returned?— I suppose half-past two.
<span id="rc5885">[[#rc5885|5885]]</span> What time did you receive instructions with reference to those reports?— About eleven or twelve, I should say.
<span id="rc5886">[[#rc5886|5886]]</span> Whom from?— The instructions came from Senior-Constable [[SConst P Mullane|Mullane]] through Constable [[Const Daniel Barry|Barry]] to the men in barracks.
<span id="rc5887">[[#rc5887|5887]]</span> Then I was not there?— You were not there when those instructions were given.
<span id="rc5888">[[#rc5888|5888]]</span> ''By the Commission''. —Barry was the man who brought you the first instructions to report?— Yes.
<span id="rc5889">[[#rc5889|5889]]</span> From Mullane?— Yes.
<span id="rc5890">[[#rc5890|5890]]</span> About eleven o'clock ?— I think so.
<span id="rc5891">[[#rc5891|5891]]</span> ''By Detective [[Ward|Ward]]. —''Was I there when the second report was asked for?— No.
<span id="rc5892">[[#rc5892|5892]]</span> At half-past two, when I returned, was there some unpleasantness between the Senior-Constable Mullane and the men who had been in the cave party?— Yes, there was with reference to returning their reports.
<span id="rc5893">[[#rc5893|5893]]</span> ''By the Commission. —''With reference to those very reports?— Yes.
<span id="rc5894">[[#rc5894|5894]]</span> The asking of them?— Not the asking of them, through him wishing to return them back.
<span id="rc5895">[[#rc5895|5895]]</span> ''By Detective Ward. —''Did I say if I had been at home there would have been nothing like this occur?— Yes, you did.
<span id="rc5896">[[#rc5896|5896]]</span> ''By the Commission. —''Meaning home where?— At Beechworth.
<span id="rc5897">[[#rc5897|5897]]</span> That this unpleasantness would not have arisen?— Yes.
<span id="rc5898">[[#rc5898|5898]]</span> ''By Detective Ward. —''Did I say to you, “Those are not the sort of reports required; all I want is a report of the duty you were doing in the cave, of what you know yourselves personally, as I wish to recommend you to the officer in charge for the services you have rendered during your time in the cave. I will forward my remarks to the Assistant Chief Commissioner, who I make no doubt will put a favorable entry upon your report sheet”?— That is something of it but not in all.
<span id="rc5899">[[#rc5899|5899]]</span> Say it yourself?— You asked us how it was we came to put in such reports as those, that is Constable Barry and myself, and other constables. “Had I been here this would not have happened.” You had my reports then with you, you half drew them out and showed them to me; you said, “These reports would never suit Mr. Nicolson.” Those were the exact words, “I want a report from you so that Mr Nicolson could put a favorable entry on your record sheet.”
<span id="rc5900">[[#rc5900|5900]]</span> Of what you know yourself, did I say that?— Yes, of what I knew myself.
<span id="rc5901">[[#rc5901|5901]]</span> That would be about a quarter to three, at all events—you left by train at three that same day?— Yes.
<span id="rc5902">[[#rc5902|5902]]</span> Before your leaving, after my telling you this, what did you say?— You asked me then to forward that report with reference to how we had carried out the duty ourselves, the secrecy of it. I remarked to you I had not time to make out a report just then, and that I would forward you one from Benalla. I made the report No. 3, and forwarded it to you on, I believe, the 3rd of April.
<span id="rc5903">[[#rc5903|5903]]</span> Then when this conversation occurred, when I asked you what would I do with the other two reports, what did you say?— I said I would have nothing to do with them, to destroy them.
<span id="rc5904">[[#rc5904|5904]]</span> ''By the Commission. —''Did you mean that you would not withdraw them?— Yes.
<span id="rc5905">[[#rc5905|5905]]</span> And that you would not take them back?— Yes.
<span id="rc5906">[[#rc5906|5906]]</span> On your mind was the idea that you were to report, and that it should be said by the men that the party was not known?— Yes.
<span id="rc5907">[[#rc5907|5907]]</span> Was that the point in your own mind, and you absolutely refused to withdraw them?— Yes.
<span id="rc5908">[[#rc5908|5908]]</span> And that was solely your objection?— Yes, so that I could go before Mr. Nicolson and speak of it.
<span id="rc5909">[[#rc5909|5909]]</span> Did you tell Ward to destroy those Nos. l and 2 reports?— No.
<span id="rc5910">[[#rc5910|5910]]</span> Or say anything to leave that impression on his mind
<span id="rc5911">[[#rc5911|5911]]</span> ''By Detective Ward. —''Did you ask me to forward them?— I had given them to Mullane to forward them.
<span id="rc5912">[[#rc5912|5912]]</span> ''By the Commission. —''You meant that the whole three should go forward?— I did. I attached the one to the other, and said I would forward the third to Benalla....
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