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== The Royal Commission evidence for 14/5/1881 ==
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 14/5/1881|day 20]])
'''Const [[Const William Canny|Canny]] giving evidence'''
<span id="rc7560">[[#rc7560|7560]]</span> Did you see me?— Yes, I saw you put your head up and shoot at the house window.
<span id="rc7561">[[#rc7561|7561]]</span> You cannot swear it was at the window?— No.
<span id="rc7562">[[#rc7562|7562]]</span> When did you first see me in Benalla—first know I was over here working—met me personally, I mean?— It was in April 1879, I think.
<span id="rc7563">[[#rc7563|7563]]</span> Had you just joined then?— No, I was on special then.
<span id="rc7564">[[#rc7564|7564]]</span> Were you on probation then?— Yes.
<span id="rc7565">[[#rc7565|7565]]</span> I suppose you made enquiries about who your officers were, and who were not?— Yes, I did.
<span id="rc7566">[[#rc7566|7566]]</span> Did you ever ask what position I held?— I do not know that I did.
<span id="rc7567">[[#rc7567|7567]]</span> Did you, from the very first, consider that I had no standing in the Victorian force?— I never looked up to you as an officer.
<span id="rc7568">[[#rc7568|7568]]</span> Because I never came in contact with you to give orders; but I say did you ever hear anybody state to you that I had no standing in the police force?— No, I do not think anybody ever stated that to me; I did not look upon you as an officer here. I believed you had started to Queensland at the time you came to Glenrowan.
<span id="rc7569">[[#rc7569|7569]]</span> I am speaking of when you first knew me, and you were on probation; and I want to know if you, from any other knowledge from men, or the sergeants, if you ever considered I had no standing in the police?— No; I never enquired. I always thought you were just in charge of the black trackers.
<span id="rc7570">[[#rc7570|7570]]</span> You never heard any man say, “He has nothing to do with us—[[O'Connor|he]] is only from Queensland ”?— Yes; I have heard several say, “He has nothing to do with us.”
<span id="rc7571">[[#rc7571|7571]]</span> Was it a sub-officer?— No, not a sub-officer, but lots of constables say so.
<span id="rc7572">[[#rc7572|7572]]</span> You do not know where they got their knowledge from?— No.
<span id="rc7573">[[#rc7573|7573]]</span> You say, about Glenrowan, that after Mr. [[Sadleir|Sadleir]] came you saw me several times. Was I doing the same as Mr. Sadleir—walking about from post to post?— Some time after Mr. Sadleir arrived, the first place I saw you with Mr. Sadleir was on the Wangaratta side of Jones's house.
<span id="rc7574">[[#rc7574|7574]]</span> ''By the Commission''— Did you say the men came from the chimney end of the house?— Yes.
<span id="rc7575">[[#rc7575|7575]]</span> If witnesses deposed the outlaws came and delivered their fire from and under the verandah, towards where you were approaching with Mr. Hare, would it be from the verandah or the chimney end of the house?— The chimney end.
<span id="rc7576">[[#rc7576|7576]]</span> Therefore, if witnesses who came out from the house swear it was from the chimney end of the house, it would be correct?— Yes.
<span id="rc7577">[[#rc7577|7577]]</span> When Mr. Hare was wounded, what distance were you from him when he was shot?— Five or ten yards.
<span id="rc7578">[[#rc7578|7578]]</span> When Mr. Hare was wounded, did he look round to see if Mr. O'Connor was there, and to speak to him?— Yes.
<span id="rc7579">[[#rc7579|7579]]</span> Did you see Mr. O'Connor there?— No.
<span id="rc7580">[[#rc7580|7580]]</span> Did you see him look round?— I could not say whether he was looking round, but he said, “Come on, O'Connor, and fetch the boys up.”
<span id="rc7581">[[#rc7581|7581]]</span> Did you see Mr. O'Connor?— No.
<span id="rc7582">[[#rc7582|7582]]</span> Do you think Mr. O'Connor was ever through the wicket gate at all?— I do not think so— not up to the time Mr. Sadleir arrived.
<span id="rc7583">[[#rc7583|7583]]</span> ''By Mr. Hare''— What time was it I said that to Mr. O'Connor, before the firing had ceased or after it had ceased?— After the volleys were fired.
<span id="rc7584">[[#rc7584|7584]]</span> Could I have made use of this expression?— “O'Connor, I am wounded—shot in the arm—I must go back to have it tied up.” Could I have made use of that expression after I had returned through the gate from my position?— Before you left your position it was.
<span id="rc7585">[[#rc7585|7585]]</span> Are you sure of that?— Yes.
<span id="rc7586">[[#rc7586|7586]]</span> That was after the firing was all over?— Yes.
<span id="rc7587">[[#rc7587|7587]]</span> You say it was before I left my position?— You were coming this way, and I do not know whether you were over the fence.
<span id="rc7588">[[#rc7588|7588]]</span> ''By the Commission''— Did you take up a position after you heard this language?— Yes.....
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== The Royal Commission evidence for 14/5/1881 ==
''''''
=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 14/5/1881|day 20]])
'''Const [[Const William Canny|Canny]] giving evidence'''
<span id="rc7560">[[#rc7560|7560]]</span> Did you see me?— Yes, I saw you put your head up and shoot at the house window.
<span id="rc7561">[[#rc7561|7561]]</span> You cannot swear it was at the window?— No.
<span id="rc7562">[[#rc7562|7562]]</span> When did you first see me in Benalla—first know I was over here working—met me personally, I mean?— It was in April 1879, I think.
<span id="rc7563">[[#rc7563|7563]]</span> Had you just joined then?— No, I was on special then.
<span id="rc7564">[[#rc7564|7564]]</span> Were you on probation then?— Yes.
<span id="rc7565">[[#rc7565|7565]]</span> I suppose you made enquiries about who your officers were, and who were not?— Yes, I did.
<span id="rc7566">[[#rc7566|7566]]</span> Did you ever ask what position I held?— I do not know that I did.
<span id="rc7567">[[#rc7567|7567]]</span> Did you, from the very first, consider that I had no standing in the Victorian force?— I never looked up to you as an officer.
<span id="rc7568">[[#rc7568|7568]]</span> Because I never came in contact with you to give orders; but I say did you ever hear anybody state to you that I had no standing in the police force?— No, I do not think anybody ever stated that to me; I did not look upon you as an officer here. I believed you had started to Queensland at the time you came to Glenrowan.
<span id="rc7569">[[#rc7569|7569]]</span> I am speaking of when you first knew me, and you were on probation; and I want to know if you, from any other knowledge from men, or the sergeants, if you ever considered I had no standing in the police?— No; I never enquired. I always thought you were just in charge of the black trackers.
<span id="rc7570">[[#rc7570|7570]]</span> You never heard any man say, “He has nothing to do with us—[[O'Connor|he]] is only from Queensland ”?— Yes; I have heard several say, “He has nothing to do with us.”
<span id="rc7571">[[#rc7571|7571]]</span> Was it a sub-officer?— No, not a sub-officer, but lots of constables say so.
<span id="rc7572">[[#rc7572|7572]]</span> You do not know where they got their knowledge from?— No.
<span id="rc7573">[[#rc7573|7573]]</span> You say, about Glenrowan, that after Mr. [[Sadleir|Sadleir]] came you saw me several times. Was I doing the same as Mr. Sadleir—walking about from post to post?— Some time after Mr. Sadleir arrived, the first place I saw you with Mr. Sadleir was on the Wangaratta side of Jones's house.
<span id="rc7574">[[#rc7574|7574]]</span> ''By the Commission''— Did you say the men came from the chimney end of the house?— Yes.
<span id="rc7575">[[#rc7575|7575]]</span> If witnesses deposed the outlaws came and delivered their fire from and under the verandah, towards where you were approaching with Mr. Hare, would it be from the verandah or the chimney end of the house?— The chimney end.
<span id="rc7576">[[#rc7576|7576]]</span> Therefore, if witnesses who came out from the house swear it was from the chimney end of the house, it would be correct?— Yes.
<span id="rc7577">[[#rc7577|7577]]</span> When Mr. Hare was wounded, what distance were you from him when he was shot?— Five or ten yards.
<span id="rc7578">[[#rc7578|7578]]</span> When Mr. Hare was wounded, did he look round to see if Mr. O'Connor was there, and to speak to him?— Yes.
<span id="rc7579">[[#rc7579|7579]]</span> Did you see Mr. O'Connor there?— No.
<span id="rc7580">[[#rc7580|7580]]</span> Did you see him look round?— I could not say whether he was looking round, but he said, “Come on, O'Connor, and fetch the boys up.”
<span id="rc7581">[[#rc7581|7581]]</span> Did you see Mr. O'Connor?— No.
<span id="rc7582">[[#rc7582|7582]]</span> Do you think Mr. O'Connor was ever through the wicket gate at all?— I do not think so— not up to the time Mr. Sadleir arrived.
<span id="rc7583">[[#rc7583|7583]]</span> ''By Mr. Hare''— What time was it I said that to Mr. O'Connor, before the firing had ceased or after it had ceased?— After the volleys were fired.
<span id="rc7584">[[#rc7584|7584]]</span> Could I have made use of this expression?— “O'Connor, I am wounded—shot in the arm—I must go back to have it tied up.” Could I have made use of that expression after I had returned through the gate from my position?— Before you left your position it was.
<span id="rc7585">[[#rc7585|7585]]</span> Are you sure of that?— Yes.
<span id="rc7586">[[#rc7586|7586]]</span> That was after the firing was all over?— Yes.
<span id="rc7587">[[#rc7587|7587]]</span> You say it was before I left my position?— You were coming this way, and I do not know whether you were over the fence.
<span id="rc7588">[[#rc7588|7588]]</span> ''By the Commission''— Did you take up a position after you heard this language?— Yes.....
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