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== The Royal Commission evidence for 20/7/1881 ==
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=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 20/7/1881|day 37]])
'''[[Patrick Allen|Mr Patrick Allen]]''' '''sworn and examined'''
<span id="rc13457">[[#rc13457|13457]]</span> ''By the Commission''— What are you?— A storekeeper in [[Beechworth|Beechworth]].
<span id="rc13458">[[#rc13458|13458]]</span> Do you remember the time when the police were in the cave?— Yes, very well.
<span id="rc13459">[[#rc13459|13459]]</span> And in [[Police at Sherritt home|Sherritt's place]]?— Yes.
<span id="rc13460">[[#rc13460|13460]]</span> Were you supplying them with provisions in both cases?— Yes.
<span id="rc13461">[[#rc13461|13461]]</span> Take the cave first—how did you bring the provisions to them in the cave?— Well, I sent them on a good many occasions as far as [[Anne and John Sherritt Snr|Mrs. Sherritt]]'s house, and then they were to be taken from there by Mrs. Sherritt's people.
<span id="rc13462">[[#rc13462|13462]]</span> How far is the cave from Mrs. Sherritt 's?— About two or three miles; somewhere about that
<span id="rc13463">[[#rc13463|13463]]</span> The provisions went out during the day?— Yes, and sometimes at night. I might state I generally sent out my cart often that way, and that at the time there were not many remarks passed on it going up.
<span id="rc13464">[[#rc13464|13464]]</span> During the time they were in the cave, and you were supplying them with provisions, did you hear any remarks made that would lead you to suppose it was known they were there?— I never heard the slightest remarks. I do not believe it was known they were there.
<span id="rc13465">[[#rc13465|13465]]</span> You knew they were there?— I did. I might say, before going any further, that I do not wish my name to appear at all in the papers over this affair, because I have lost a good deal over it already. What I did all along was because of my friend Detective [[Ward|Ward]], whom I have known for nineteen years.
<span id="rc13466">[[#rc13466|13466]]</span> I suppose you supplied provisions to the police just in the way of business?— I have supplied the police for ten years.
<span id="rc13467">[[#rc13467|13467]]</span> This was nothing extraordinary?— No.
<span id="rc13468">[[#rc13468|13468]]</span> How would it affect you through the sympathizers?— Yes, there are plenty of them about here now saying I was helping the police. I am not one of those that is very much frightened about that sort of thing, but you may put it in this way, that it does not look well for a business man.
<span id="rc13469">[[#rc13469|13469]]</span> But I presume you would have supplied anybody in the same way?— Yes. I am quite prepared to tell you anything at all that I can.
<span id="rc13470">[[#rc13470|13470]]</span> Were you supplying the police when they were in [[Aaron Sherritt|Aaron Sherritt]]'s house?— Yes.
<span id="rc13471">[[#rc13471|13471]]</span> You were aware the police were there all the time?— I was.
<span id="rc13472">[[#rc13472|13472]]</span> Did you hear any rumour or any expression at all that would lead you to suppose that anybody else knew except those directly interested?— No, I never heard nor suspected that it was found out at all.
<span id="rc13473">[[#rc13473|13473]]</span> At what times did you take the provisions to Aaron Sherritt's place?— Well, it was generally in the daytime, but, at that time and since, I was sending my cart down to that place, and was supplying nine or ten families down there, so there was no remark about my going there.
<span id="rc13474">[[#rc13474|13474]]</span> Do you think it was possible people would notice your going to Aaron Sherritt 's?— I do not believe it. I never heard anything to lead me to that conclusion. I had sent things for himself before, and I was supplying other families within a quarter of a mile of the place. In fact, if I had no goods for him I used to get the boy to call at other places, and always covered over what he had in the cart, in order that it would not be seen. I got orders from Mr. Ward to keep it as secret as possible, and it was my interest to do so
<span id="rc13475">[[#rc13475|13475]]</span> Do you know anything of the Chinese storekeeper on the [[Buckland|Buckland]] who is said to have supplied provisions to the Kellys ?— No.
<span id="rc13476">[[#rc13476|13476]]</span> Had you at any time any information with reference to the outlaws, whether they were out in the country?— I have had information several times from Sherritt who was shot. He brought information to me for Detective Ward, simply because he was frightened to be seen speaking to Ward, and he often came to myself and left messages, which I conveyed to Ward, and never told to anybody else.
<span id="rc13477">[[#rc13477|13477]]</span> Did they ever turn out any good?— Yes, I believe a great many things he told me were proved to be true after.
<span id="rc13478">[[#rc13478|13478]]</span> Did he tell them within a reasonable time, so that the police could act upon them?— I never knew him tell anything that there was not action taken on as soon after as possible.....
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== The Royal Commission evidence for 20/7/1881 ==
''''''
=== full text ===
(see also introduction to [[Royal Commission report 20/7/1881|day 37]])
'''[[Patrick Allen|Mr Patrick Allen]]''' '''sworn and examined'''
<span id="rc13457">[[#rc13457|13457]]</span> ''By the Commission''— What are you?— A storekeeper in [[Beechworth|Beechworth]].
<span id="rc13458">[[#rc13458|13458]]</span> Do you remember the time when the police were in the cave?— Yes, very well.
<span id="rc13459">[[#rc13459|13459]]</span> And in [[Police at Sherritt home|Sherritt's place]]?— Yes.
<span id="rc13460">[[#rc13460|13460]]</span> Were you supplying them with provisions in both cases?— Yes.
<span id="rc13461">[[#rc13461|13461]]</span> Take the cave first—how did you bring the provisions to them in the cave?— Well, I sent them on a good many occasions as far as [[Anne and John Sherritt Snr|Mrs. Sherritt]]'s house, and then they were to be taken from there by Mrs. Sherritt's people.
<span id="rc13462">[[#rc13462|13462]]</span> How far is the cave from Mrs. Sherritt 's?— About two or three miles; somewhere about that
<span id="rc13463">[[#rc13463|13463]]</span> The provisions went out during the day?— Yes, and sometimes at night. I might state I generally sent out my cart often that way, and that at the time there were not many remarks passed on it going up.
<span id="rc13464">[[#rc13464|13464]]</span> During the time they were in the cave, and you were supplying them with provisions, did you hear any remarks made that would lead you to suppose it was known they were there?— I never heard the slightest remarks. I do not believe it was known they were there.
<span id="rc13465">[[#rc13465|13465]]</span> You knew they were there?— I did. I might say, before going any further, that I do not wish my name to appear at all in the papers over this affair, because I have lost a good deal over it already. What I did all along was because of my friend Detective [[Ward|Ward]], whom I have known for nineteen years.
<span id="rc13466">[[#rc13466|13466]]</span> I suppose you supplied provisions to the police just in the way of business?— I have supplied the police for ten years.
<span id="rc13467">[[#rc13467|13467]]</span> This was nothing extraordinary?— No.
<span id="rc13468">[[#rc13468|13468]]</span> How would it affect you through the sympathizers?— Yes, there are plenty of them about here now saying I was helping the police. I am not one of those that is very much frightened about that sort of thing, but you may put it in this way, that it does not look well for a business man.
<span id="rc13469">[[#rc13469|13469]]</span> But I presume you would have supplied anybody in the same way?— Yes. I am quite prepared to tell you anything at all that I can.
<span id="rc13470">[[#rc13470|13470]]</span> Were you supplying the police when they were in [[Aaron Sherritt|Aaron Sherritt]]'s house?— Yes.
<span id="rc13471">[[#rc13471|13471]]</span> You were aware the police were there all the time?— I was.
<span id="rc13472">[[#rc13472|13472]]</span> Did you hear any rumour or any expression at all that would lead you to suppose that anybody else knew except those directly interested?— No, I never heard nor suspected that it was found out at all.
<span id="rc13473">[[#rc13473|13473]]</span> At what times did you take the provisions to Aaron Sherritt's place?— Well, it was generally in the daytime, but, at that time and since, I was sending my cart down to that place, and was supplying nine or ten families down there, so there was no remark about my going there.
<span id="rc13474">[[#rc13474|13474]]</span> Do you think it was possible people would notice your going to Aaron Sherritt 's?— I do not believe it. I never heard anything to lead me to that conclusion. I had sent things for himself before, and I was supplying other families within a quarter of a mile of the place. In fact, if I had no goods for him I used to get the boy to call at other places, and always covered over what he had in the cart, in order that it would not be seen. I got orders from Mr. Ward to keep it as secret as possible, and it was my interest to do so
<span id="rc13475">[[#rc13475|13475]]</span> Do you know anything of the Chinese storekeeper on the [[Buckland|Buckland]] who is said to have supplied provisions to the Kellys ?— No.
<span id="rc13476">[[#rc13476|13476]]</span> Had you at any time any information with reference to the outlaws, whether they were out in the country?— I have had information several times from Sherritt who was shot. He brought information to me for Detective Ward, simply because he was frightened to be seen speaking to Ward, and he often came to myself and left messages, which I conveyed to Ward, and never told to anybody else.
<span id="rc13477">[[#rc13477|13477]]</span> Did they ever turn out any good?— Yes, I believe a great many things he told me were proved to be true after.
<span id="rc13478">[[#rc13478|13478]]</span> Did he tell them within a reasonable time, so that the police could act upon them?— I never knew him tell anything that there was not action taken on as soon after as possible.....
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