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Story of the KellyGang - the Royal Commission 21/7/1881
[[Royal Commission report 20/7/1881|day before]] [[Royal Commission report 22/7/1881|next day]]
{| class="wikitable"
| Summary of the evidence on day 38 of the hearings
|-
| Question number
| Date
| Witness
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 38 page 1|13783]] - 13796
| '''21/7/1881'''
| '''[[Mrs Ellen Barry|Mrs Barry]]'''
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 38 page 2|13797]] - 13813
| '''21/7/1881'''
| '''[[Ellen Sherritt|Mrs Sherritt Jnr]]'''
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 38 page 3|13814]] - 13840
| '''21/7/1881'''
| '''[[Sup Henry Baber|Sub-Insp Baber]]'''
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 38 page 4|13841]] - 13889
| '''21/7/1881'''
| '''[[Ward|Det Ward]]'''
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 38 page 10|13890]] - 13902
| '''21/7/1881'''
| '''[[Hare|Sup Hare]]'''
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 38 page 11|13902]] - 13937
| '''21/7/1881'''
| '''[[Const R Alexander|Const Alexander]]'''
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 38 page 13|13938]] - 13953
| '''21/7/1881'''
| '''[[SConst P Mullane|SConst Mullane]]'''
|-
|
|
|
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 37 page 20|13374]] - 13457
| 20/7/1881
| Start of Mrs Barry's evidence
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 37 page 12|13215]] - 13335
| 20/7/1881
| Start of Mrs Sherritt's evidence
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 14 page 2|3020]] - 3167
[[Royal Commission report 28/7/1881|14103]] - 14192
[[Royal Commission report day 45 page 18|15573]] - 15743
| 3/5/1881
28/7/1881
10/8/1881
| See these dates for other evidence given by Det Ward
|-
| [[Royal Commission report 31/3/1881|1238]] - 1357
[[Royal Commission report 1/4/1881|1358]] - 1464
[[Royal Commission report 5/4/1881|1465]] - 1592
[[Royal Commission report 6/4/1881|1593]] - 1632
[[Royal Commission report 28/6/1881|12285]] - 12289
[[Royal Commission report day 38 page 10|13890]]- 13901
[[Royal Commission report 1/9/1881|16315]] - 16656
| 31/3/1881
1/4/1881
5/4/1881
6/4/1881
28/6/1881
21/7/1881
1/9/1881
| See these dates for other evidence given by Sup Hare
|-
| [[Royal Commission report 20/7/1881|12995]] - 13118
| 20/7/1881
| See these dates for other evidence given by Const Alexander
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 37 page 27|13509]] - 13767
| 20/7/1881
| See these dates for other evidence given by Sconst Mullane
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable"
| Appendix
| Title
|-
| [[Royal Commission Appendix 20 for 21 July 1881|20]]
| Minutes of Proceedings at Meetings Held by the Royal Commission
|-
|}
'''Summary of the evidence on day 38 of the hearings'''
== 21/7/1881 Mrs Barry's continued her evidence - some brief highlights ==
''''''
== 21/7/1881 Mrs Sherritt Jnr continued her evidence - ==
some brief highlights
''''''
== 21/7/1881 Insp Baber commenced his evidence - ==
some brief highlights
''''''
== 21/7/1881 Det Ward continued his evidence - ==
some brief highlights
Det Ward continued his evidence of events in November 1878. Soon after this he was the first person to engage Aaron Sherritt. Where did they meet? At about this time Ward stated getting reports of citings of the '''KellyGang''', from Ah Man and David Rae. Who where these people and were the reports genuine? What did Ward do with these reports?
Joe Byrne wrote a number of letters to Aaron Sherritt. In one of those letters he responded to the Government's increased reward for the '''KellyGang''' by proposing a reward of his own for a number of police.
In 1879 there were a number of reports that the '''KellyGang''' were trying to plan another bank robbery. Ward detailed many of the measures taken to protect the banks.
Some of this information came from secret service agents. A secret-service man became very frightened that he would at that time be carried away by the '''KellyGang''', and on the 15th November, from information the police then had from this secret-service man, Det Ward reported the matter to Mr. Nicolson, and in reply here is the confidential memo., with instructions. In the latter part of it it states, "I cannot promise that Detective Ward will form one of the pursuing party, especially as Inspector Smith has to leave Beechworth on Monday. I feel it is but fair to mention this. At the same time his interest in the capture need not suffer by such an alternative; and as the decisive moment seems approaching I hope he will take every precaution to maintain secrecy and to secure decided action now if practicable." On 4th October here is another confidential document that Det Ward received before the other that he received from Mr. Nicolson, with instructions to the secret service man. Then there is very little more during that year, with the exception of routine business and my reports, and in those all the particulars will be found until the establishing of the cave party by Mr. Nicolson on the 27th December 1879.
The police response to the lack of any reasonable information was the establishment of the cave party to watch Mrs Byrne's home for the '''KellyGang'''. Det Ward sets out in some detail how the cave was established and describes its duties. He also sets out details of Aaron Sherritt's role.
There was a big problem with the reports of the police duty at Sebastopol. See Ward's version of what happened.
Ward then went on to detail the reports from agents that shows how close he was to the '''KellyGang''' in late autum in 1880.
Who were Renwick and Moses and what role did they play in the story?
Who went on the trip to Everton and what happened next?
What did Hare and Ward discuss at their first meeting when Hare took over from Nicolson in June 1880?
How was the police party in Aaron Sherritt's home arranged and by whom?
What happened on 19/6/1880?
When Duross swears that you told him to say that they were watching he swears a false-hood?
First report of Aaron Sherritt's death.
The police from beechworth sent to Glenrowan seige.
They would do anything if they would tell a lie in the barefaced way they did, and charge you with suggesting the falsehood to them?
We had information given to us to-day, swamsworn, that those men were out cutting wood during the day, and hallooing out as if they were horses or bullocks, and wheeling it in with a barrow; did you know of this?
''''''
== 21/7/1881 Sup Hare continued his evidence - ==
some brief highlights
What happened on the night of 19/6/1880.
"Could Ward have concocted the thing so quickly?"
''''''
== 21/7/1881 Const Alexander continued his evidence - ==
''some brief highlights''
Who according to Alexander said ""Say they are gone to watch Byrne's"?
''''''
== 21/7/1881 SConst Mullane continued his evidence - ==
''some brief highlights''
Armstrong was asked by Ward, 'Do you remember the three of us standing and having a conversation with reference to what Duross swore?' - who was lying and about what?
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{| class="wikitable"
| Summary of the evidence on day 38 of the hearings
|-
| Question number
| Date
| Witness
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 38 page 1|13783]] - 13796
| '''21/7/1881'''
| '''[[Mrs Ellen Barry|Mrs Barry]]'''
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 38 page 2|13797]] - 13813
| '''21/7/1881'''
| '''[[Ellen Sherritt|Mrs Sherritt Jnr]]'''
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 38 page 3|13814]] - 13840
| '''21/7/1881'''
| '''[[Sup Henry Baber|Sub-Insp Baber]]'''
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 38 page 4|13841]] - 13889
| '''21/7/1881'''
| '''[[Ward|Det Ward]]'''
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 38 page 10|13890]] - 13902
| '''21/7/1881'''
| '''[[Hare|Sup Hare]]'''
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 38 page 11|13902]] - 13937
| '''21/7/1881'''
| '''[[Const R Alexander|Const Alexander]]'''
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 38 page 13|13938]] - 13953
| '''21/7/1881'''
| '''[[SConst P Mullane|SConst Mullane]]'''
|-
|
|
|
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 37 page 20|13374]] - 13457
| 20/7/1881
| Start of Mrs Barry's evidence
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 37 page 12|13215]] - 13335
| 20/7/1881
| Start of Mrs Sherritt's evidence
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 14 page 2|3020]] - 3167
[[Royal Commission report 28/7/1881|14103]] - 14192
[[Royal Commission report day 45 page 18|15573]] - 15743
| 3/5/1881
28/7/1881
10/8/1881
| See these dates for other evidence given by Det Ward
|-
| [[Royal Commission report 31/3/1881|1238]] - 1357
[[Royal Commission report 1/4/1881|1358]] - 1464
[[Royal Commission report 5/4/1881|1465]] - 1592
[[Royal Commission report 6/4/1881|1593]] - 1632
[[Royal Commission report 28/6/1881|12285]] - 12289
[[Royal Commission report day 38 page 10|13890]]- 13901
[[Royal Commission report 1/9/1881|16315]] - 16656
| 31/3/1881
1/4/1881
5/4/1881
6/4/1881
28/6/1881
21/7/1881
1/9/1881
| See these dates for other evidence given by Sup Hare
|-
| [[Royal Commission report 20/7/1881|12995]] - 13118
| 20/7/1881
| See these dates for other evidence given by Const Alexander
|-
| [[Royal Commission report day 37 page 27|13509]] - 13767
| 20/7/1881
| See these dates for other evidence given by Sconst Mullane
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable"
| Appendix
| Title
|-
| [[Royal Commission Appendix 20 for 21 July 1881|20]]
| Minutes of Proceedings at Meetings Held by the Royal Commission
|-
|}
'''Summary of the evidence on day 38 of the hearings'''
== 21/7/1881 Mrs Barry's continued her evidence - some brief highlights ==
''''''
== 21/7/1881 Mrs Sherritt Jnr continued her evidence - ==
some brief highlights
''''''
== 21/7/1881 Insp Baber commenced his evidence - ==
some brief highlights
''''''
== 21/7/1881 Det Ward continued his evidence - ==
some brief highlights
Det Ward continued his evidence of events in November 1878. Soon after this he was the first person to engage Aaron Sherritt. Where did they meet? At about this time Ward stated getting reports of citings of the '''KellyGang''', from Ah Man and David Rae. Who where these people and were the reports genuine? What did Ward do with these reports?
Joe Byrne wrote a number of letters to Aaron Sherritt. In one of those letters he responded to the Government's increased reward for the '''KellyGang''' by proposing a reward of his own for a number of police.
In 1879 there were a number of reports that the '''KellyGang''' were trying to plan another bank robbery. Ward detailed many of the measures taken to protect the banks.
Some of this information came from secret service agents. A secret-service man became very frightened that he would at that time be carried away by the '''KellyGang''', and on the 15th November, from information the police then had from this secret-service man, Det Ward reported the matter to Mr. Nicolson, and in reply here is the confidential memo., with instructions. In the latter part of it it states, "I cannot promise that Detective Ward will form one of the pursuing party, especially as Inspector Smith has to leave Beechworth on Monday. I feel it is but fair to mention this. At the same time his interest in the capture need not suffer by such an alternative; and as the decisive moment seems approaching I hope he will take every precaution to maintain secrecy and to secure decided action now if practicable." On 4th October here is another confidential document that Det Ward received before the other that he received from Mr. Nicolson, with instructions to the secret service man. Then there is very little more during that year, with the exception of routine business and my reports, and in those all the particulars will be found until the establishing of the cave party by Mr. Nicolson on the 27th December 1879.
The police response to the lack of any reasonable information was the establishment of the cave party to watch Mrs Byrne's home for the '''KellyGang'''. Det Ward sets out in some detail how the cave was established and describes its duties. He also sets out details of Aaron Sherritt's role.
There was a big problem with the reports of the police duty at Sebastopol. See Ward's version of what happened.
Ward then went on to detail the reports from agents that shows how close he was to the '''KellyGang''' in late autum in 1880.
Who were Renwick and Moses and what role did they play in the story?
Who went on the trip to Everton and what happened next?
What did Hare and Ward discuss at their first meeting when Hare took over from Nicolson in June 1880?
How was the police party in Aaron Sherritt's home arranged and by whom?
What happened on 19/6/1880?
When Duross swears that you told him to say that they were watching he swears a false-hood?
First report of Aaron Sherritt's death.
The police from beechworth sent to Glenrowan seige.
They would do anything if they would tell a lie in the barefaced way they did, and charge you with suggesting the falsehood to them?
We had information given to us to-day, swamsworn, that those men were out cutting wood during the day, and hallooing out as if they were horses or bullocks, and wheeling it in with a barrow; did you know of this?
''''''
== 21/7/1881 Sup Hare continued his evidence - ==
some brief highlights
What happened on the night of 19/6/1880.
"Could Ward have concocted the thing so quickly?"
''''''
== 21/7/1881 Const Alexander continued his evidence - ==
''some brief highlights''
Who according to Alexander said ""Say they are gone to watch Byrne's"?
''''''
== 21/7/1881 SConst Mullane continued his evidence - ==
''some brief highlights''
Armstrong was asked by Ward, 'Do you remember the three of us standing and having a conversation with reference to what Duross swore?' - who was lying and about what?
<br />
{{MicroficheCopy}}<br />
'''The [[Royal Commission report 20/7/1881|day before]] . . . the [[Royal Commission report 22/7/1881|next day]] . . . Royal Commission [[Royal Commission Index|index]]''' [[RC_index.html|RC_index.html]]
[[Category:Royal Commission]] [[Category:January 1721]] [[Category:Royal Commission]] [[Category:O'Connor]] [[Category:history]]
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